An exploration of the viewpoint that the September 11, 2001 attacks were planned by the United States government.

2nd Edition (google)

Final Cut (thanks h0whigh)

or (thanks sylver)

pt1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mk7htWPF874
pt2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAS4TIYF68A...feature=related

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3719259008768610598

There are more 9/11 video links on this Documentary Forum, but this is a great one for newbies.

911 Loose Change 2^nd Editiom



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"Loose Change 2nd Edition" is the follow-up to the most provocative 9-11 documentary on the market today.
This film shows direct connection between the attacks of September 11, 2001 and the United States government.
Evidence is derived from news footage, scientific fact, and most importantly, Americans who suffered through that tragic day.

Excellent. A must-see in my opinion. Much thanks for posting.

doing my part to reconstruct the paroid minds of the feeble

http://video.google.co.uk/url?docid=786692...xBgQlV3-njd_s1w

lol, how many versions of this will be published? what's next? LC SE Recut Director's Cut? They should give it a rest already... or make a final version sometime. O_o

I don't know, with something like this I think new editions are good idea.

I mean, it's dealing with a cover up by amongst others The US Administration, and as such, new findings and information comes to light, so it's nice that they update and add and remove stuff to keep the findings up to date for the viewer qhich is the general idea I guess.

Here's a stage6 copy...

http://stage6.divx.com/911-InsideJob/video...-second-edition

yeah sure thing it's good and all... uh, you're probably right...
it's just that new editions keep appearing quite frequently... with little new evidence added or debilitated removed. that's why i said the stuff i said.
but what ever, good thing there are ppl who keep questioning the events.

who actually believes this?

People who can think for themselves.

The lesson to be learned by EVERYBODY whether you believe in a cover up or not, is this.

Do not be afraid to ask questions, however high up in authority people are. Not everything you get taught/told/informed etc etc is 100% true.

So what this Film tells me is that the people responsible for 911 are,


George W. Bush, President of the United States
Richard B. Cheney, Vice President of the United States
Condoleezza Rice, National Security Advisor
Donald Rumsfeld, Security of Defense
Ari Fleischer, Press Secretary
Richard Clark, White House Advisor
John Elias Bush, Governor for the State of Florida
Joint Chiefs of Staff
Joint Forces Command
Justice Department
The Federal Bureau of Investigations
The Central Intelligence agency
Department of Defense
National Security Agency
The Treasury Department
The State Department
The Internal Revenue Service
National Security Council
Strategic Command
North American Aerospace Command
Office of the Pentagon
United States Air Force
United States Army
United States Navy
United States Marine Corps
United States Coast Guard
United States Army Corps of Engineers
United States National Guard
United States Secret Service
Special Forces Operations Command
United States House of Representatives
United States Senate
White House Office of Administration
National Aeronautics and Space Administration
Agency for International Development
American Forces Information Services
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives Service
Department of the Architect of the Capitol
Atlantic Fleet Forces Command
National Transportation Safety Board
Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services
Committee on Foreign Investments
Defense Advanced Research Project Agency
Department of Transportation
Department of the Interior
Denali Commission
Director of National Intelligence
Domestic Policy Council
Federal Aviation Administration
Federal Election Commission
Federal Emergency Management Agency
Department of Energy
National Weather Service
Helsinki Commission
Missile Defense agency
Office of National Counter Intelligence Executive
National Park Service
National Reconnaissance Office
Office of Government Ethics
Office of Management and Budget
United States Office of Special Council
Office of Political Affairs
Republican Political Party
Democratic Political Party
United States Postal Service
President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board
Securities and Exchange Commission
United States Supreme Court
Surface Transportation Board
Unified Combatant Commands
Tony Blair, Prime Minister, Great Brittan
Lyman Lemnitzer, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff
Robert McNamara, Secretary of Defense
John F. Kennedy, President of the United States
Northrop Grumman
Department of Justice
William Jefferson Clinton, President of the United States
Marvin Bush
Rudolph Giuliani, Mayor of the City of New York
Control Demolition
Elliot Abrams, Rep. for Middle Eastern affairs
Richard Armitage, Dep. Secretary of State
John B. Bolton, U.S Ambassador to the United Nations
Paula Dobriansky, Undersecretary of State for Global Affairs
Lewis Libby, Chief of Staff for the Vice President
Richard Perle, Defense Policy Board Advisory Committee
Paul Wolfowitz, Dep. Secretary of Defense
Robert B. Zoellick, Dep. Secretary of State
Charles Burlingame
John D. Ashcroft, Attorney General
Osama Bin Laden
Larry A, Silverstein, Real Estate Investor
United Airlines
Boeing Airlines
American Airlines
Willie Brown, Mayor of the City of San Francisco
Michael Moore, Filmmaker
Hunter S. Thompson, Writer
Underwriters Laboratories
National Institute of Standards and Technology
Los Alamos National Laboratory


Did all these people really think they could get away with it?

Yes, theres nobody else left in the US to hold them to account.

theyre making a 3rd one. the final cut. and yes i do think the us government has something to do with this because of the supporting evidence.

*bump*

Whether you believe the entire conspiracy or not, I think the point is that you have to read and research all the facts and evidence for yourself. Once this is done, 99% of people realise the US Government are holding a lot of truth back from the people that deserve justice for the loss of life they have witnessed. 50% of the US population over the age of 25 read newspapers and read 1 book every six months. Now, that's not saying much, but it does give you an idea or guideline to how many people are actively searching for knowledge... not many. Now you take are the credibility of bias media, and you've got nothing.

So the consencus is widely known that most people only know what they see on TV or read in papers, that's a fact.

That is why there are dumbed down people attacking the "truth-seekers" for being nuts or unpatriotic or whatever.

"If you can be told what you can see or read
Then it follows,
That you can be told what to say or think"

Start reading or you're all screwed!

p.s. check out that We documentary that's been posted, t'is a beaut!

Watch

merged

Anybody have a working link of the Final Cut? ? The one here is dead.

sheeesh, that didn't last long, I thought this film was in public domain?

new link here

alternative, QSS front page link here

thx hh

thanks for the post

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0914809/





Click ME!!!

You know this isn't the last one. It never is.

hehehehe...thats it...BUSH will always want to steal more and more ...and part of usa as well because he was the most voted(remember that one!!!).For me hes been the 2nd dictator(after hitler) who won the elections in his country...its unbelievable!!!
Anyways no money,no religions,thats it.

An exploration of the viewpoint that the September 11, 2001 attacks were planned by the United States government.

IMDb

Movie/Doc.

merged

http://www.stage6.com/user/Jonny_Hood/vide...-Final-Cut-2007

>>> moved to documentaries and merged

Google Video:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=85...97541&hl=en

QSS Main:
http://quicksilverscreen.com/watch?video=42229

Info:
Was the United States Government responsible for the attacks of September 11th, 2001? This is the "Final Cut" of the "Loose Change" films, released in November, 2007.

Imdb:
http://imdb.com/title/tt0914809

great documentary, very underrated, and the boys who did this went through hell from the day 1.

truth will out.

THIS is the only 'final cut' you will ever need on this piece of trash.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3...h&plindex=0

Funny how they never answer back to movies like screw loose change. They'll put out new versions with more out of context sound bytes, video clips, and pieces of govt reports they claim support their case. They'll slap Alex Jones' name on it because it lends credibility. But they won't go back and defend any of their key points or evidence that was destroyed by Screw Loose Change. Thanks to the guy a few pages back who listed all the agencies and companies that would have to be in on it. It really shows the sheer magnitude of how large a conspiracy this would be. Those are all agencies and companies filled with people. Thousands of people who would all have to keep quiet in order for this to work. Human beings, most of which have consciences and would have to live with knowing what they did. Do you really think that they would all keep quiet? Why? What was in it for them?

It always strikes me how "truthers" assume that their argument and evidence is obvious or self-evident, yet in the same breath ask us to buy into the largest, most complicated---and ostensibly the best executed---conspiracy in history. With such exceptional claims comes the burden of exceptional evidence. I am as open minded as anyone and although I have watched each release of Loose Change and studied the conspiracy websites with an open mind, I have yet to find such evidence, much less in a compelling, conclusive form.

Instead, what I found was a body of disconnected and mostly speculative "evidence" that relied almost exclusively on factors that "could have been" or were "technically possible"---not factors that were demonstrable, evidential, or even likely. For example, when making the case that the towers were brought down by controlled demolition, they argue that Thermite was used because some of the I-beams showed signs of melting and they point out that Thermite can be used to melt steel. They do however conveniently skip over the fact that the use of thermite to CUT steel I-beams had no practical precedent. In Loose Change they claim that the sulfur residue is unique to thermite, citing a quote from an EPA report, yet they fail to mention the very next sentence, which was that the residue was most likely a result from "tens of thousands of melting computers". They claim that the pictures of the I-beams cut at an angle are indicative of a controlled demolition because "that's how they're cut prior to controlled demolitions"----yet fail to show video of 9/11 workers at the WTC cutting the I-beams in EXACTLY that way AFTER the collapse.

In fact, most of their evidence relies upon specific interpretation of the evidence. Buildings fall faster than gravity allows? Well, depends on which video you watch and at what time you start and stop the video (guess which one the they use). Controlled explosions seen coming from the towers? Depends on the angle from which you're watching. By the time it's presented, their evidence has already been sanitized---if not outright manipulated.

I simply cannot buy into this intricate conspiracy and all that goes with it given the evidence as it stands now. If you think back to the time when it happened, there was no airport security. There was no vigilance on our part. We felt safe and we were totally complacent. Why is so hard to accept the possibility that 19 religious fanatics hijacked 4 planes and carried out this attack? It was no secret that Bin laden hated us. He already had been linked to attacks on us like the USS Cole for instance. How else to attack us on our own soil? Kinda hard to smuggle any kind of bombs over here without drawing attention. Why bother when there are bombs with wings taking off every minute of the day somewhere that they could just walk right on without anyone blinking an eye? Given the lax immigration enforcement at the time and our good relationship with the Saudis, I am sure getting them here posed no problem. To me, this is much more plausible.

Did our government drop the ball and miss a couple of clues? Oh yeah. Could GW Bush have been shoveling horse shit down in Crawford when he should have been reading the memo entitled "Bin Laden Determined To Strike In U.S."? Probably. But I mean how seriously can you take that? I'm determined to win the Powerball Lottery, yet I'm fairly certain they don't have a check cut yet with my name on it. Intelligence agencies not sharing information....etc...etc....

So why didn't Bin Laden claim responsibility then? you think he would right? Well if you think back, he was all cozy with his bros over at the Taliban. So when the US demanded he be handed over, the Taliban dudes said "No Problem, just as soon as you show us the evidence against him". Had Bin Laden claimed responsibility, that would have negated the need to show such evidence and he would have been handed over. If they planned this whole thing out, I think they might have included a part where there would be no evidence linked back to him.

Ok I've ranted for long enough. One last thing. Say our govt DID do this. What did the people responsible have to gain? Or what were they trying to accomplish? And all the thousands of people who would have to keep this awful secret, how did they benefit?

Ok I've ranted for long enough. One last thing. Say our govt DID do this. What did the people responsible have to gain? Or what were they trying to accomplish? And all the thousands of people who would have to keep this awful secret, how did they benefit?
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Delusions of power and control. Evil.

The New World Order Special Edition: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kq2ocW5ZvI

good post

merged

Great Posts, by the way.

My favorite response to “Loose Change” was written by George Monboit in February of 2007.
He wrote;

There is a virus sweeping the world. It infects opponents of the Bush government, sucks their brains out through their eyes and turns them into gibbering idiots. First cultivated in a laboratory in the US, the strain reached these shores a few months ago. In the past fortnight, it has become an epidemic. Scarcely a day now passes without someone possessed by this sickness, eyes rolling, lips flecked with foam, trying to infect me.

The disease is called Loose Change. It is a film made by three young men that airs most of the standard conspiracy theories about the attacks of September 11 2001. Unlike the other 9/11 conspiracy films, Loose Change is sharp and swift, with a thumping soundtrack, slick graphics and a calm and authoritative voiceover. Its makers claim that it has now been watched by 100 million people.

The Pentagon, the film maintains, was not hit by a commercial airliner. There was "no discernible trace" of a plane found in the wreckage, and the entrance and exit holes in the building were far too small. It was hit by a cruise missile. The twin towers were brought down by means of "a carefully planned controlled demolition". You can see the small puffs of smoke caused by explosives just below the cascading sections. All other hypotheses are implausible: the fire was not hot enough to melt steel and the towers fell too quickly. Building 7 was destroyed by the same means a few hours later.

Flight 93 did not crash, but was redirected to Cleveland airport, where the passengers were taken into a NASA building and never seen again. Their voices had been cloned by the Los Alamos laboratories and used to make fake calls to their relatives. The footage of Osama bin Laden, claiming responsibility for the attacks, was faked. The US government carried out this great crime for four reasons: to help Larry Silverstein, who leased the towers, to collect his insurance money; to assist insider traders betting on falling airline stocks; to steal the gold in the basement; and to grant George Bush new executive powers, so that he could carry out his plans for world domination.
Even if you have seen or read no other accounts of 9/11, and your brain has not yet been liquidized, a few problems must occur to you. The first is the complete absence of scientific advice. At one point, the presenter asks: "So what brought down the twin towers? Let's ask the experts." But they don't ask the experts. The film-makers take some old quotes, edit them to remove any contradictions, then denounce all subsequent retractions as further evidence of conspiracy.
The only people they interview are a janitor, a group of firemen, and a flight instructor. They let the janitor speak at length, but cut the firemen off in mid-sentence. The flight instructor speaks in short clips, which give the impression that his pupil, the hijacker Hani Hanjour, was incapable of hitting the Pentagon. Elsewhere he has said the opposite: he had "no doubt" that Hanjour could have done it.

Where are the structural engineers, the materials scientists, the specialists in ballistics, explosives or fire? The film-makers now say that the third edition of the film will be fact-checked by an expert, but he turns out to be "a theology professor". They don't name him, but I would bet that it's David Ray Griffin, who also happens to be the high priest of the 9/11 conspiracists.

The next evident flaw is that the plot they propose must have involved tens of thousands of people. It could not have been executed without the help of demolition experts, the security firms guarding the World Trade Centre, Mayor Giuliani (who hastily disposed of the remains), much of the US air force, the Federal Aviation Administration and the North American Aerospace Defense Command, the relatives of the people "killed" in the plane crashes, the rest of the Pentagon's staff, the Los Alamos laboratories, the FBI, the CIA, and the investigators who picked through the rubble.

If there is one universal American characteristic, it is a confessional culture that permits no one with a good story to keep his mouth shut. People appear on the Jerry Springer Show to admit to carnal relations with their tractors. Yet none of the participants in this monumental crime has sought to blow the whistle - before, during or after the attacks. No one has volunteered to tell the greatest story ever told.

Read some conflicting accounts, and Loose Change's case crumbles faster than the twin towers. Hundreds of people saw a plane hit the Pentagon. Because it collided with one of the world's best-defended buildings at full speed, the plane was pulverized - even so, plane parts and body parts were in fact recovered. The wings and tail disintegrated when they hit the wall, which is why the holes weren't bigger.

The failure of the twin towers has been exhaustively documented by the National Institute of Standards and Technology. Far from being impossible, the collapse turns out to have been inevitable. The planes cut some of the support columns and ignited fires sufficient to weaken (but not melt) the remaining steel structures. As the perimeter columns buckled, the weight of the collapsing top stories generated a momentum the rest of the building could not arrest. Puffs of smoke were blown out of the structure by compression as the building fell.

Counterpunch, the radical leftwing magazine, commissioned its own expert - an aerospace and mechanical engineer - to test the official findings. He shows that the institute must have been right. He also demonstrates how Building 7 collapsed. Burning debris falling from the twin towers ruptured the oil pipes feeding its emergency generators. The reduction in pressure triggered the automatic pumping system, which poured thousands of gallons of diesel on to the fire. The support trusses weakened and buckled, and the building imploded. Popular Mechanics magazine polled 300 experts and came to the same conclusions.

So the critics - even Counterpunch - are labeled co-conspirators, and the plot expands until it comes to involve a substantial part of the world's population. There is no reasoning with this madness. People believe Loose Change because it proposes a closed world: comprehensible, controllable, small. Despite the great evil that runs it, it is more companionable than the chaos that really governs our lives, a world without destination or purpose. This neat story draws campaigners away from real issues - global warming, the Iraq war, nuclear weapons, privatization, inequality - while permanently wrecking their credibility. Bush did capitalize on the attacks, and he did follow a pre-existing agenda, spelt out, as Loose Change says, by the Project for the New American Century. But by drowning this truth in an ocean of nonsense, the conspiracists ensure that it can never again be taken seriously.

The film's greatest flaw is this: the men who made it are still alive. If the US government is running an all-knowing, all-encompassing conspiracy, why did it not snuff them out long ago? There is only one possible explanation. They are in fact agents of the Bush regime, employed to distract people from its real abuses of power. This, if you are inclined to believe such stories, is surely a more plausible theory than the one proposed in Loose Change.

...Dramatically narrated by Daniel Sunjata of FX’s Rescue Me, and an outspoken advocate for the First Responders, Loose Change 9/11: An American Coup first examines mysterious and infamous events that reshaped world history – from the Reichstag Fire in 1933 that catapulted Hitler to dictatorship – to the Gulf of Tonkin Incident in 1964 that led to the Vietnam War, and then takes viewers on a turbulent journey through several pivotal moments in history before delving into the most significant catastrophe in recent memory, 9/11....
http://www.loosechange911.com/about/synopsis/

Loose Change 9/11: An American Coup (megaupload)

I just wanted to add a little something about cover ups and real known elaborate ones. Ill sum it up all at once how alot of people can hide something right under everones noses "the manhantan project".

http://www.veoh.com/browse/videos/category...9224711tTT3qaGs

thankyou






rip jimmy

Q: "How could something of such magnitude be kept so secret? Someone would SURELY leak information!"
A: Easily. The hydrogen bomb was conceived in complete secrecy at Las Alamos. Research the Manhattan project. It took over a thousand people and it never leaked. (My number may be wrong, don't quote me. tell me if I'm wrong though so I can fix it)

**And you really over generalised with that list.

Q: Why on EARTH would anyone ever stage some insanely complex faked terrorist attack just so they could invade some worthless toilet of a country like Afghanistan?
A: Well larry silverstein put a massive insurance policy on the world trade center the month before 9-11 specifically regarding terrorism. Did he know something was going to happen? Larry got his cash, the government got their war. Patriot act passed. We lost our freedom. We've spent close to a trillion dollars on this war and about 6000 soldiers have died because of it.

Final questions: Do you really believe people living in a cave pulled off that "insanely complex terrorist attack" that you just admitted it was?

...Really?

Ok say for a second you were right and some cavemen outsmarted FBI, CIA, Homeland Security, Air Force, (all other military for that matter),... then why the HELL are we paying these people BILLIONs in tax dollars. If CAVEMEN can complete this attack.... Just image what a GOVERNMENT could do.

if you mean imagine, that is what you are doing.

Nice of you to start trolling people and yet you can't even falsify my statement.

False logic, he doesn't have to falsify your fantasies. You have to prove your hypothesis, so far you haven't. Regurgitating things like Larry's insurance policy, which, have not only been addressed before but by me in the other two threeads over the last couple of days.

Burden of proof is yours not Morphs....

semper necessitas probandi incumbit ei qui agit

Not to mention instant classics like "pull it!" or "clunkety clunk"...lol the more I look into this stuff the more crazier and surreal it gets:P

And thats the TRUTH !

CORRECTION they are dealing with an IMAGINARY cover up..this isnt real..
we need to draw the line between reality and fantasy ..and this is how were teaching the generation growing up that?

Theres no harm in conspiracy theories you say..of course there is..
When one truly believes that the entire system of government we have is nothing more than a sham, and that all elections are fixed, it absolves the individual of responsibility for taking action to try to address the problems we face as a society. Why try to reform health care if the NWO is going to kill us all with vaccines? Why vote for a pro-second amendment candidate, when the NWO is going to confiscate all your guns no matter what? Why vote for a pro-first amendment candidate when the NWO is going to throw us all in FEMA camps for posting on the Internet? Why vote for the pro-fiscal restraint candidate when the NWO is just going to collapse the economy?

The irony is, if large numbers of people start seriously believing that their votes don't matter, then they risk ending up right where they feared they would: having no influence on how the world runs. Not because of some shadowy plot, however; it would happen because they themselves have abdicated their own power (and responsibility) to affect change.