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irishx
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1810434814977636258



B 17 vitamin and Selenium, and 80% of cancer would be gone, and the rest could be cured with a proper thought pattern ...
as all disease starts in your mind ...
Shoomer
Once again this is not a documentary, it`s bullshit propaganda. Please move it.
irishx
QUOTE(Shoomer @ Dec 19 2007, 12:20 AM) *
Once again this is not a documentary, it`s bullshit propaganda. Please move it.

Ignorant dumbass or a paid fbi disinformant agent ...

Listen to the message, not to these fda jerks ...
Shoomer
QUOTE(irishx @ Dec 19 2007, 02:00 AM) *
Ignorant dumbass or a paid fbi disinformant agent ...

Listen to the message, not to these fda jerks ...

Are you kidding me, you`re just taking the piss mate. "paid FBI agents" for gods sake man , grow up. We don`t all live in the US of ... you know what, I can`t be bothered to discuss this with someone who can`t even spell.

Thanx irishx, we`ve had it wrong all along, all we needed to do was take some B 17 vitamin and Selenium, and 80% of cancer would be gone, and the rest could be cured with a proper thought pattern,

I have family that have died from cancer and you are a cock.
eziona
QUOTE(irishx @ Dec 18 2007, 08:15 PM) *
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1810434814977636258
B 17 vitamin and Selenium, and 80% of cancer would be gone, and the rest could be cured with a proper thought pattern ...
as all disease starts in your mind ...


Irishx is partially right, both B17 and Selenium are essential for cancer treatment,
thats why rockefeller established fda to hush up real cures ...

http://www.curenaturalicancro.com/index.php

NaHCO3 = Sodium Bicarbonate, a natural cure

BUT MOST IMPORTANT = CANCER CAN NEVER SURVIVE IN AN ALKALINE BODY,
ONLY IN ACIDIC BODY ...


75% OF THE PHYSICIANS REFUSES CHEMOTHERAPY THEMSELVES



The great lack of trust is evident even amongst doctors. Polls and questionnaires show that three doctors out of four (75 per cent) would refuse any chemotherapy because of its ineffectiveness against the disease and its devastating effects on the entire human organism.

This is what many doctors and scientists have to say about chemotherapy:“The majority of the cancer patients in this country die because of chemotherapy, which does not cure breast, colon or lung cancer. This has been documented for over a decade and nevertheless doctors still utilize chemotherapy to fight these tumors.” (Allen Levin, MD, UCSF, “The Healing of Cancer”, Marcus Books, 1990).

“If I were to contract cancer, I would never turn to a certain standard for the therapy of this disease. Cancer patients who stay away from these centers have some chance to make it.” (Prof. Gorge Mathe, “Scientific Medicine Stymied”, Medicines Nouvelles, Paris, 1989)

“Dr. Hardin Jones, lecturer at the University of California, after having analyzed for many decades statistics on cancer survival, has come to this conclusion: ‘… when not treated, the patients do not get worse or they even get better’. The unsettling conclusions of Dr. Jones have never been refuted”. (Walter Last, “The Ecologist”, Vol. 28, no. 2, March-April 1998)

“Many oncologists recommend chemotherapy for almost any type of cancer, with a faith that is unshaken by the almost constant failures”.(Albert Braverman, MD, “Medical Oncology in the 90s”, Lancet, 1991, Vol. 337, p. 901)

“Our most efficacious regimens are loaded with risks, side effects and practical problems; and after all the patients we have treated have paid the toll, only a miniscule percentage of them is paid off with an ephemeral period of tumoral regression and generally a partial one” (Edward G. Griffin “World Without Cancer”, American Media Publications, 1996)

“After all, and for the overwhelming majority of the cases, there is no proof whatsoever that chemotherapy prolongs survival expectations. And this is the great lie about this therapy, that there is a correlation between the reduction of cancer and the extension of the life of the patient”. (Philip Day, “Cancer: Why we’re still dying to know the truth”, Credence Publications, 2000)

“Several full-time scientists at the McGill Cancer Center sent to 118 doctors, all experts on lung cancer, a questionnaire to determine the level of trust they had in the therapies they were applying; they were asked to imagine that they themselves had contracted the disease and which of the six current experimental therapies they would choose. 79 doctors answered, 64 of them said that they would not consent to undergo any treatment containing cis-platinum – one of the common chemotherapy drugs they used – while 58 out of 79 believed that all the experimental therapies above were not accepted because of the ineffectiveness and the elevated level of toxicity of chemotherapy.” (Philip Day, “Cancer: Why we’re still dying to know the truth”, Credence Publications, 2000)

“Doctor Ulrich Able, a German epidemiologist of the Heidelberg Mannheim Tumor Clinic, has exhaustively analyzed and reviewed all the main studies and clinical experiments ever performed on chemotherapy .... Able discovered that the comprehensive world rate of positive outcomes because of chemotherapy was frightening, because, simply, nowhere was scientific evidence available demonstrating that chemotherapy is able to ‘prolong in any appreciable way the life of patients affected by the most common type of organ cancer.’ Able highlights that rarely can chemotherapy improve the quality of life, and he describes it as a scientific squalor while maintaining that at least 80 per cent of chemotherapy administered in the world is worthless. Even if there is no scientific proof whatsoever that chemotherapy works, neither doctors nor patients are prepared to give it up (Lancet, Aug. 10, 1991). None of the main media has ever mentioned this exhaustive study: it has been completely buried” (Tim O’Shea, “Chemotherapy – An Unproven Procedure”)
“According to medical associations, the notorious and dangerous side effects of drugs have become the fourth main cause of death after infarction, cancer, and apoplexy” ( Journal of the American Medical Association, April 15, 1998)
Shoomer
What utter f@@kin Shit
eziona
QUOTE(Shoomer @ Dec 19 2007, 04:16 AM) *
What utter f@@kin Shit


Brainwashed bafoon with double digit IQ you are ...



The Toxic Chemistry of Everyday Products and What's at Stake for American Power

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I couldnt get out of my car when I got home because I was listening to a radio interview with author Mark Shapiro about how the European Union has taken precautionary actions to protect themselves from the assault of thousands and thousands of untested chemicals that American Companies use in a huge range of items, especially cosmetics and toys. The EU has banned untested chemicals and become the world leader in safe products, with the largest economy in the world. Yet the patriarchs of US Industry and politicians like Mr. Bush keep poisoning us, telling us the economy will collapse if they are forced to seek alternatives. Ill be buying Mark Shapiros book Exposed: The Toxic Chemistry of Everyday Products and Whats at Stake for American Power at my local bookstore today.

What Shapiro doesnt seem to talk about, is how women spend 86% of point of sale dollars, and if we chose to purchase only items upholding EU standards, we could change the US marketplace in an instant! To see if your favorite products meet EU stands, check out the Environmental Working Groups Skin Deep Cosmetic Safety Database.

Exposed: The Toxic Chemistry of Everyday Products and What's at Stake for American Power
By Mark Shapiro

Publishers Synopsis
Plastic, Poison, and Power in the New World Order

New evidence seems to arrive dailyfrom stories about tainted pet food to toxic toysof the dangerous consequences that lax environmental policies are having on the consumer products that we, and our children, use every day thanks to lobbying efforts by the U.S. chemical industry. Meanwhile, the European Union is forcing these global corporate giants to chart a new path that, by requiring safe products, is revamping how businesses can create safe products and make money.

In Exposed: The Toxic Chemistry of Everyday Products and What's at Stake for American Power investigative journalist Mark Schapiro takes the reader inside the corridors of global power where tectonic battles are occurring that will impact the health of ourselves and the planet. Schapiros expos shows how laws adopted by the European Unionwhere stricter consumer-safety standards are in placehave forced multinationals into manufacturing safer products. And, short of such strong government action the United States will lose its claim of economic and enviro nmental supremacy. Increasingly, products developed and sold in the United States are equated with serious health hazards, and many of those products are soon to be banned from Europe and other parts of the world.

Schapiros revelations in this thought-provoking work will change the way American consumers think about everyday productsfrom plastic softeners that can contribute to sexual malformations to lipstick additives that are potential toxins to the brain, liver, kidneys, and immune system. And it will stir them into forcing our government to take the lead of others, including the European Union, China, and countries in Central and South America. Exposed is a revealing and fascinating look at global markets, everyday products, and the toxic chemicals that bind them. It will shock, inform, and warn American businesses and government leaders about the risks of being left behind in the international marketplace.

Schapiros book shines a light on Europes evolving search for higher standards that places Brussels, not Washington, at the center of global market innovation.

http://www.rense.com/
pokman4
Thanks for the post irishx. I've read a number of books and articles extolling the virtues of B17/Laetrile as a cancer treatment. This is from one I read recently:

"Everyone should know that most cancer research is largely a fraud..." - Linus Pauling Ph.D. (1901-1994) Two times Nobel Prize winner.

Amygdalin/Laetrile

In 1952 Dr. Ernst Krebs from San Francisco advanced the theory that cancer is a deficiency disease, similar to scurvy or pellagra. His theory was that the cause of the disease was the lack of an essential food compound in modern-man's diet. He identified it as part of the nitriloside family which is found in over 1200 edible plants. Nitriloside, generally referred to as amygdalin, is especially prevalent in the seeds of apricot, blackthorn cherry, nectarine, peach, apples and others.

The best way for Krebs to prove his theory would be to have thousands of people eat a diet very high in amygdalin and monitor them. An enormously costly exercise to say the least. Fortunately for Krebs, the experiment had already been carried out. Nestled between W. Pakistan, India and China is the tiny kingdom of Hunza. The people of Hunza consume 200 times more amygdalin in their diet than the average American. Visiting medical teams found them cancer free. In 1973 Prince Mohammed Khan, son of the Mir of Hunza told Charles Hillinger of the LA Times the average age of his people is about 85. More importantly, they live vigorous and mentally alert lives up until a few days before they die.

Only in recent years have the first few Hunza cancer cases been reported. That is due to a narrow road being carved in the mountain and food from the "civilized" world is reaching Hunza. In the 1970s the FDA mounted a widespread and erroneous media campaign alleging that amygdalin is toxic and dangerous because it contains cyanide. Yes, it does, in minute quantities. If you eat the seeds from a hundred apples in a day you risk serious side effects, possibly death. If you eat enormous amounts of anything you run serious health risks. Aspirin is twenty times more toxic than the same amount of amygdalin.

Orthodox medicine says that Laetrile (a purified form of amygdalin developed by Dr. Krebs) was thoroughly tested and found to be worthless. The longest and most famous Laetrile tests ever performed were run for nearly five years at Americas most prestigious cancer research center, Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center in New York. At the conclusion of the trials, on June 15, 1977, they released a press statement. The press release read; "...Laetrile was found to possess neither preventative, nor tumor-regressent, nor anti-metastatic, nor curative anticancer activity."

So that is it then, right? It does not get more adamant than that, we can close the book on Laetrile. Unfortunately for the officials at Sloan-Kettering there was an unforeseen problem. When a journalist asked Dr. Kanematsu Sugiura; "Do you stick by your belief that Laetrile stops the spread of cancer"? He replied, "I stick." Those two words were a major embarrassment to the accumulated demigods on the dais. The reason being is that Dr. Kanematsu Sugiura was the preeminent cancer researcher in America, probably the world, at this time. Nobody had ever questioned Sugiura's data in over sixty years of cancer research before. Sugiura was asked why Sloan-Kettering was against Laetrile.

"Why are they so much against it"? Sugiura answered "I don't know. Maybe the medical profession doesn't like it because they are making too much money." Sugiura had to be proven wrong. But other researchers had obtained essentially the same positive results. Dr. Lloyd Schloen a biochemist at Sloan-Kettering had included proteolytic enzymes to his injections and reported 100% cure rate among his albino mice. This data had to be buried. They then changed the protocols of the tests and amounts of Laetrile to make certain that they failed. Not surprisingly, they failed, and that is what they reported. Sloan-Kettering's motives were clearly revealed in the minutes of a meeting that top officials held on July 2, 1974. The discussions were private and candid. The fact that numerous Sloan-Kettering officials were convinced of the effectiveness of amygdalin is obvious, they just were not sure as to the degree of its effectiveness. But they were not interested in further testing of this natural product. The minutes read; "...Sloan-Kettering is not enthusiastic about studying amygdalin [Laetrile] but would like to study CN (cyanide)-releasing drugs."

Sloan-Kettering wanted a man-made patentable chemical to mimic the qualities found in amygdalin, because that is where the money is. If a very effective cancer treatment or cure was found in the lowly apricot seed, it would spell economic disaster for the cancer industry.
fresheadies
Does anybody know who the man in the presentation is. He looks extremely familiar.
pokman4
QUOTE(fresheadies @ Dec 21 2007, 10:45 AM) *
Does anybody know who the man in the presentation is. He looks extremely familiar.


G. Edward Griffin
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G._Edward_Griffin
nomed44
interesting post

what food and other things contain amygdalin and the other one?

acidic body and akaline based body, interesting, wounder if it works the same for, like cold, STD and deadly virus's

are bodies are made up mostly with water
castaway
QUOTE(nomed44 @ Dec 21 2007, 05:03 PM) *
interesting post

what food and other things contain amygdalin and the other one?

acidic body and akaline based body, interesting, wounder if it works the same for, like cold, STD and deadly virus's

are bodies are made up mostly with water


The seeds of common fruits (except for citrus fruits) contain amygdalin (also known as Laetrile & B17), apricot kernals contain the most. You know the saying 'An apple a day keeps the doctor away'. Well, only if you eat the whole apple including the seeds.

For more information on this and the other health related issues you mentioned, I highly recommend that you look up Credence Publications CREDENCE where you will find the book, Cancer: Why We're Still Dying to Know the Truth, plus many more.

Also, here is a short video showing how cancer develops.

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I can also recommend my thread 'Health Wars' :-) where you will find the above video plus one or two other interesting documentaries.

Hope this is of help/interest.






hunterjager
Please don't post quackery videos such as this to the naive general audience. "Laetrile" has been tested over and over again with the same negative results because of the fact that people are desperate enough to try anything. http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/abstra...pe2=tf_ipsecsha
This is just one of the many such examples, many of which are done in vivo with mice, and others, in vitro to test the theories behind laetrile's possible effectiveness. If you consume too much of this stuff, you could very well get cyanide poisoning, which needless to say, will not help your health.

I've noticed that a huge amount of videos posted in the "documentaries" section are not actual documentaries, but just conspiracy theory videos. It's one thing to enjoy someone's good imagination, but an entirely different (and in this case, possibly, dangerous) thing to change your actions by basing that nonsense as fact. We all hope for the best, and wish many things to be true, but not all those wishes come true.
pokman4
QUOTE(hunterjager @ Jan 8 2008, 09:47 PM) *
Please don't post quackery videos such as this to the naive general audience. "Laetrile" has been tested over and over again with the same negative results because of the fact that people are desperate enough to try anything. http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/abstra...pe2=tf_ipsecsha
This is just one of the many such examples, many of which are done in vivo with mice, and others, in vitro to test the theories behind laetrile's possible effectiveness. If you consume too much of this stuff, you could very well get cyanide poisoning, which needless to say, will not help your health.

I've noticed that a huge amount of videos posted in the "documentaries" section are not actual documentaries, but just conspiracy theory videos. It's one thing to enjoy someone's good imagination, but an entirely different (and in this case, possibly, dangerous) thing to change your actions by basing that nonsense as fact. We all hope for the best, and wish many things to be true, but not all those wishes come true.


I just want to quickly address the notion that Laetrile causes cyanide poisoning, which is the official reason that the FDA banned it in the 70s. Only when Laetrile comes in contact with the enzyme beta-glucosidase does it release cyanide. The only place in the body that you will find that enzyme is in a cancer cell. Say what you want, but that's pretty feckin amazing. That is the only thing that Laetrile does, it sees a cancer cell, attaches itself to it and attacks it with cyanide. If the body doesn't have cancer, the Laetrile will not break down, no cyanide will be released and you'll just pass it through.
darkain
QUOTE(Shoomer @ Dec 19 2007, 12:20 AM) *
Once again this is not a documentary, it`s bullshit propaganda. Please move it.

Not all Docs have to be 100% accurate, after all Zeitgeist is allowed to be hear.... and all that stupid shit you post about drugs and little green men.... or and new world order... haha
hunterjager
QUOTE(pokman4 @ Jan 9 2008, 03:29 PM) *
I just want to quickly address the notion that Laetrile causes cyanide poisoning, which is the official reason that the FDA banned it in the 70s. Only when Laetrile comes in contact with the enzyme beta-glucosidase does it release cyanide. The only place in the body that you will find that enzyme is in a cancer cell. Say what you want, but that's pretty feckin amazing. That is the only thing that Laetrile does, it sees a cancer cell, attaches itself to it and attacks it with cyanide. If the body doesn't have cancer, the Laetrile will not break down, no cyanide will be released and you'll just pass it through.



This molecule would be great if what you say were true, but the truth is that B-glucosidase is not located exclusively in the cancer cells at all. I found at least two papers yesterday which blatantly stated such. You really must be very skeptical when you hear people evangelizing "miracle cures" like this that "the government, or big business doesn't want you to know!".

The thing that separates a good cancer drug from poison is specificity. Despite what the movie says, laetrile DOES NOT HAVE SPECIFICITY because of the fact that B-glucosidase is not specifically located in cancer cells.
jokerjdude
If people already know this then why aren't they doing it all the time?
bcmalloy
haha classic , excuse me while I apply leeches to my face to cure a cold while shining my top hat with a handful of mercury.
jason
QUOTE(bcmalloy @ Jan 9 2008, 10:13 PM) *
haha classic , excuse me while I apply leeches to my face to cure a cold while shining my top hat with a handful of mercury.


Nout wrong with leeches tongue.gif
jason
QUOTE(bcmalloy @ Jan 9 2008, 10:13 PM) *
haha classic , excuse me while I apply leeches to my face to cure a cold while shining my top hat with a handful of mercury.


Nout wrong with leeches tongue.gif

http://www.webmd.com/news/20040628/leeches...ical-use-by-fda
hunterjager
QUOTE(jason @ Jan 10 2008, 09:08 PM) *


Yeah, but they don't cure colds
castaway
QUOTE(jokerjdude @ Jan 9 2008, 07:10 PM) *
If people already know this then why aren't they doing it all the time?


I'm doing it all the time. Despite some of what the more learned posters here have to say.

Cyanide poisoning!!! That's just crazy talk. Spending too much time on the computer me thinks.

Next thing you know they'll be saying alcohol is poison. Be wary of these nutters. blink.gif

pokman4
QUOTE(hunterjager @ Jan 9 2008, 05:57 PM) *
This molecule would be great if what you say were true, but the truth is that B-glucosidase is not located exclusively in the cancer cells at all. I found at least two papers yesterday which blatantly stated such. You really must be very skeptical when you hear people evangelizing "miracle cures" like this that "the government, or big business doesn't want you to know!".

The thing that separates a good cancer drug from poison is specificity. Despite what the movie says, laetrile DOES NOT HAVE SPECIFICITY because of the fact that B-glucosidase is not specifically located in cancer cells.


Could you cite the papers you found? Been trying to find where else in the body the enzyme can be found and can't find anything
fuzzydunlop
QUOTE(pokman4 @ Jan 12 2008, 10:47 AM) *
Could you cite the papers you found? Been trying to find where else in the body the enzyme can be found and can't find anything

Liver
Human visceral organs such as liver, spleen and kidney contain two prominent B-glucosidases (Daniels et al. 1981)[...]

Spleen
Normal human spleen contains two forms of membrane-bound B-glucosidase,
distinguishable by their thermostability and kinetic properties. The spleen from a patient
with adult Gaucher's disease was deficient in the major, thermolabile, form of the
enzyme.[...]


Intestines
Two B-galactosidases from human small-intestinal mucosa were separated by
gel-filtration chromatography and the properties of the two enzymes were studied.[...]
SYLver
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