The Muslim Jesus

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The Muslim Jesus (thanks ScienceFictionado)

The Muslim Jesus

The story of the Islamic Jesus – a man born of a virgin, and a man who performed miracles, but there was no crucifixion and no ... all » resurrection. Yet there is a Second Coming, when he shall descend in the clouds as a Muslim to destroy the Jews and 'the swine'.

The Muslim Jesus uses the Quran and other Islamic texts to explore the differing ways in which Christian and Muslim faiths both acknowledge Jesus.

Scholars, teachers, parents, rappers, poets and historians come together for the one hour special narrated by Melvin Bragg.

The differences between the Quran and Bible’s portrayal of Jesus are explored in detail, from the role of Mary and his death and resurrection, to the coming of the Anti-Christ.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=hNBWDchFd4U&...feature=related

Can you stop doing that? It would be much more impressive if you could speak for yourself for once, and actually stand a chance. How many of your rebuttals include links? Fuck, remember I said you need elementary school, well...

-High School: Learn to fucking research and form your own thoughts.

Fucking cookie cutter christain (stain implied) thinking like a primate.

You feel strongly about your reliefs maybe to strong as I've seen in your very kind worded response to Iza's post just remember he can say what he wants (With in reason which I think what he just did is) if you don't like it then don't say anything.

You can see how misled Iza is... evrything she has to say is something from someone elses mouth. Thats the first sign we are dealing with a pawn.

That is all I was implying.

This is typical of Christians today. The 'sheep' principle is in full force. They do NOT question anything (anti Christian to question anything in the Bible, from a minister, or even many lay people today). This process was tought to the Republican party by the Right Wing Christian Church. "If you aren't with us, you are against us" "Questioning the president is un patriotic, dont sympathize with the terrorists"

I'm a Christian myself, but not the sort that Iza seems to identify with - these types give Christanity a bad name.

Do some research. Find out what Christanity thought BEFORE the Church and Nation/States got their paws in it.

Moriella I agree with you peole like Izabadgirl do more damage to their religion than anything else.
She is just like sheep or maybe even Ned Flanders.Thing what wories me the most is that Izabadgirl dont even live how she preatches.
If she has ever heard about ten commandments then at least she would know what i am talking about.
Well I dont mind it anymore after this message because now i know that here are some some intelligent christians also like you Moriellla.

Should we go back to the Crusades? OR perhaps we could trace Christainities bloody rise to the top in Rome?

Look at the stars...
Get some binoculars...
Get a telescope...

Look at the trees...
Get a microscope...
Look at the leaves...

There are patterns everywhere in Nature, and using the fact that each religion prior to yours was wrong, I can fairly safely conclude that if yours were real he would strike me down this very day and send me to hell.

Oxymorons are great!

I am sorry thejamez too drunk to think.
By the way nice virtual penis you got there.

Jesus taught pass the word of God through love. mohammad said pass the word by conquering. For hundreds of years christians died on crosses peacefully. Spreading the word by sacrificing there lifes. Musilums from the start took over lands and allmost made it into franch coming from africa. If you don't except the word in the koran then we will take you over or kill you. The christians went wrong with a pope. No human (besides christ)can be a representative of god and mans word is not gods word. Thats y america is so great cause we took the power out of the churches hands and gave it to the children of god. What we do with it is our own free will. Good or bad.

lol! ermm crusades????

Crusades came around the same time the muslims started to push close to european territory. If there where no crusades all european countries would be under sharia law. Bad things happend to bouth sides. Crusades didn't happen for over a thousand year after christ's teachings and after a pope came to power. The muslim faith was fairly new to the world and already starting wars. Crusades happened around the same time as the muslims expanding through algeria to spain and past the balkans close to europ. My main point in the first post was that I would rather follow jesus's teachings of love and peace not muhammad's teachings of war and conquering to spread faith. Even though christians have done this during the inquisition and crusades it was not jesus that said do these things to people to spreed my word but Muhammad himself said spread the kroan with force if you have to.

[quote name='tehjamez' date='Mar 6 2008, 01:36 PM' post='342707']
Should we go back to the Crusades? OR perhaps we could trace Christainities bloody rise to the top in Rome?

Back to the Crusades? No, I said look before the Church and before Nation states. The crusades are about 700 years too late. Pre council of Nicea, pre Constantine.

Todays church would brand me a heretic, but I'm more interested in what ISNT in the Bible, than what man decided to include in it.

wtf. How about you go study Al Andalus, the former name for southern Spain, under Moorish Rule. It was not so much conquered, but Moors were nearly invited by the nomadic peoples who had recently settled there, because many were starving to death and lacked the civic technologies that the Moors had. The renaissance is in great part a flower of the mixing of Muslim and Christian cultures in Andalus. In fact, it was the Christian lords who decided to Consolidate their holdings in Spain who first started attacking people, at which point the caliphate sent in its armies. This was called the reconquista. Charlemagne, he was often fighting villagers, truth be told, in the late 700's. I dare say that you would not be where you are today had it not been for the philosophy, sciences, mathematics, and technologies that the Muslim people provided Europe with oh so long ago. The crusades were about the expansion of the Vatican's empire, and stupid servants bought the holy land argument hook line and sinker. A lot like people buy the whole Iraq had to do with 911 bull. When your done looking into Andalusia, look into the bloody genocide commited by the church in the Inquisition, to purge Spain of its Muslim and Jewish past. The Muslims had freedom of religion in Andalus, and were secular minded like many religious people are today. The armies that the caliphate sent in from Saudi Arabia where religious zealots (as soldiers often are) and they tried to force Islam, but they would not have entered Spain had it not been for the Catholic church's incursion into the peaceful, culturally rich area. They were soldiers of fortune, and BOTH sides of religious extremists tore the beautiful region to shreds.
You are right about Mohammed being a warrior, but you are flat wrong about early Christianity being peaceful. Ever since it became the state religion of the Roman Empire, it has been used to legitimate slaughter, torture, and war.
http://www.qantara.de/webcom/show_article..../_nr-210/i.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Golden_Age

I agree with most of that. My first post was about early christians first few hundred years. Following christ word dying by the hands of romans such as nero. I agree with you that with the formation of a pope christianity whent very very wrong. Although the math and most of the philosophy we follow today is from india and greece. The indians gave the number system (So called Arabic system) to the persians who at that time were not musilms so you can't say muslims made it. Persians used the Arabic system to start traid with currency but did not creat the number system they used. A lot of christians are messed up but for the most part we don't stone our wifes to death for being raped or cut peoples body parts off. Christ said he who has not sinned cast the first stone. There are psycho christians that kill there wives but its not state sanctioned or even state ordered like it is in sharia countries. I think we are on a better path than islam, we just need to keep the ignorant people of the planet from destroying christ true word. Which most people do get wrong including myself. I Think you need to read what I say a little bettter. Y should I look up the Inquisition when I already stated it. Plus you make it sound like the inquisition was just on muslims and jews but christians that didn't follow the pope where killed just the same. To me the crusades and the inquisition wasn't early christianity. By that time almost a millenium had past, which is half the time to our current century since christ's death. I also find this kinda funny "It was NOT SO MUCH conquered, but Moors were NEARLY invited".. Yes early christians before country states where in a bad spot do to the fall of the romans. They didn't have a lot of food and the muslims (after taking over eqypt) had a bunch of grain. But that doesn't mean that everyone in spain was happy to see muslims coming into there lands. A lot of Africa is starving is it ok if america takes it over.. Even if half the continent asked america to come there the othere half would be pissed off enough to fight. All of history is full of wars and atrocities committed by all countries and cultures. So many empires forged from the blood of war and the sweat off of slaves backs. The jews have been inslaved so many times its not even funny. I do think Christ was on to something though, as I said before christ started the word with peace but mohammed started islam with war. What we do after is up to us.

Do you want to be held accountable for the actions of people who lived 900+ years ago? Do you want to be held accountable for the actions of everyone who claims to represent your faith? Trying to blame all of Christianity for the crusades is analogous to blaming all Muslims for Islamic terrorism.

link/s checked.