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omnitribe
Debunking the BBC Conspiracy Files;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxD0AbmCijs (part 1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fabQdMOTUos (part 2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTko2orqLDg (part 3)

maximius
QUOTE(omnitribe @ Nov 7 2009, 04:27 AM) *

Im not exactly impressed with these videos lol..spewing out the normal truther garbage...
failure
maximius
btw heres the real program BBCconspiracy files part 1 youll find the rest of the parts on YT (as you can see the amateaur hour videos posted in this thread doesnt even come close to the same quality--let alone "debunk" the debunking...horrible try..utter failure
SL3YR
thanks goodstuff







rip jimmy
Truthiness
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Truthiness
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h0whigh
QUOTE(maximius @ Nov 7 2009, 08:53 AM) *
Im not exactly impressed with these videos lol..spewing out the normal truther garbage...
failure


here we go again with your bullshit, you really are a "sheep" and eat the shit that being fed to you
you really are one of those people that believes everything the government says. you are just sad

all you do is post shut like this on real videos that tell mostly the TRUTH and expose the lies, wake up man really just wake up



thanks for the post btw
mark8
QUOTE(h0whigh @ Nov 7 2009, 08:40 AM) *
here we go again with your bullshit, you really are a "sheep" and eat the shit that being fed to you
you really are one of those people that believes everything the government says. you are just sad

all you do is post shut like this on real videos that tell mostly the TRUTH and expose the lies, wake up man really just wake up
thanks for the post btw



Pot and kettle springs to mind.....
maximius
QUOTE(h0whigh @ Nov 7 2009, 09:40 AM) *
here we go again with your bullshit, you really are a "sheep" and eat the shit that being fed to you
you really are one of those people that believes everything the government says. you are just sad

all you do is post shut like this on real videos that tell mostly the TRUTH and expose the lies, wake up man really just wake up
thanks for the post btw


Oh please..give me a break ..keep living in lala fantasyland with all the pretty flowers and shapes and noises,and ill keep living in the real world..

btw heres the real BBC doc
part 1
part2
part 3
part 4
part 5
part 6

oh and when youll see it you will see why these nutjobs want to discredit it so bad..
Wake up..stop believing in santa claus!
omnitribe
QUOTE(maximius @ Nov 7 2009, 10:25 AM) *
Oh please..give me a break ..keep living in lala fantasyland with all the pretty flowers and shapes and noises,and ill keep living in the real world..

btw heres the real BBC doc
part 1
part2
part 3
part 4
part 5
part 6

oh and when youll see it you will see why these nutjobs want to discredit it so bad..
Wake up..stop believing in santa claus!


Every single documentary that's attempted to discredit the 9/11 truth movement has failed horribly and has managed to actually credit the movement even more so, how can you believe this stuff? Honestly, every single one of these is full of red herrings, strawmen and straight up disinformation. You seem to be the kind of shill doesn't even take the time to really look at the other side and see why we laugh at you so much. It's like arguing with a creationist, the parallels are astonishing. I really hope everyone watches the BBC hit piece just to see exactly how the media tries to smear the truth.
omnitribe
Thanks guys for watching, it's not much but it goes to show how these documentaries misrepresent the truth.
Skamp
QUOTE(omnitribe @ Nov 7 2009, 06:38 PM) *
Every single documentary that's attempted to discredit the 9/11 truth movement has failed horribly and has managed to actually credit the movement even more so, how can you believe this stuff? Honestly, every single one of these is full of red herrings, strawmen and straight up disinformation. You seem to be the kind of shill doesn't even take the time to really look at the other side and see why we laugh at you so much. It's like arguing with a creationist, the parallels are astonishing. I really hope everyone watches the BBC hit piece just to see exactly how the media tries to smear the truth.


You're so fucking blinkered that you wouldn't see the truth if it came up,bitch slapped you & then took your missus up the wrong whilst screaming 'How is this for truth bitch'

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Thanks guys for watching, it's not much but it goes to show how these documentaries misrepresent the truth.


Ironic,No ?
omnitribe
QUOTE(Skamp @ Nov 7 2009, 07:52 PM) *
You're so fucking blinkered that you wouldn't see the truth if it came up,bitch slapped you & then took your missus up the wrong whilst screaming 'How is this for truth bitch'
Ironic,No ?


You would believe it's the truth even if it was physically impossible.

I don't think I need to say much more than that..

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Skamp
QUOTE(omnitribe @ Nov 7 2009, 07:14 PM) *
You would believe it's the truth even if it was physically impossible.

I don't think I need to say much more than that..

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It's obvious that you do not have a clue on how the Twin Towers were erected,once you understand that then your brain may allow you to accept that not only is it physically possible but that it did happen.

I have no vested interest either way but the Democrats bloody well did/do and if there was a tiny possiblity that this was indeed an inside job they would've been all over it like herpes on a $10 whore.
omnitribe
QUOTE(Skamp @ Nov 7 2009, 08:20 PM) *
It's obvious that you do not have a clue on how the Twin Towers were erected,once you understand that then your brain may allow you to accept that not only is it physically possible but that it did happen.

I have no vested interest either way but the Democrats bloody well did/do and if there was a tiny possiblity that this was indeed an inside job they would've been all over it like herpes on a $10 whore.


LOL, yeah they were build to withstand the impact of a 747.

Well the fact that you still believe in the false two party system says a lot about your judgment, republicans and democrats are the same thing!
Skamp
QUOTE(omnitribe @ Nov 7 2009, 07:32 PM) *
LOL, yeah they were build to withstand the impact of a 747.

Well the fact that you still believe in the false two party system says a lot about your judgment, republicans and democrats are the same thing!


You will die ignorrant and paranoid,it's just a shame that there's a possibility that you will find some dumb hick you have children with you.

I can only speak from an English perspective and i know that as Tuesday follows Monday,if Labour tried what you claim (without evidence) then the Conservatives would make sure that they ended up in Wormwood Scrubs begging daddy to take it easy.
omnitribe
QUOTE(Skamp @ Nov 7 2009, 08:36 PM) *
You will die ignorrant and paranoid,it's just a shame that there's a possibility that you will find some dumb hick you have children with you.

I can only speak from an English perspective and i know that as Tuesday follows Monday,if Labour tried what you claim (without evidence) then the Conservatives would make sure that they ended up in Wormwood Scrubs begging daddy to take it easy.


Okayyy.. huh.gif

Yeah.. you really need to get past that, the left/right paradigm is as real as fake wrestling, and it's meant to keep you asleep. All it comes down to is corrupted individuals with power, no matter the party they align themselves to, your "team" is no more right than the other one.
maximius
QUOTE(omnitribe @ Nov 7 2009, 08:32 PM) *
LOL, yeah they were build to withstand the impact of a 747.

WRONG they were built to withstand a 707 ,the largest aircraft to that date,and they didnt account for the jet fuel..




PS...have you seen the latest "Charlie sheen interviews Obama" its pretty neat,other than its complete and utter fantasy on sheens part...and he doesnt say its fictional until further down the page...in small lettering LOL
omnitribe
QUOTE(maximius @ Nov 7 2009, 11:39 PM) *
WRONG they were built to withstand a 707 ,the largest aircraft to that date,and they didnt account for the jet fuel..
PS...have you seen the latest "Charlie sheen interviews Obama" its pretty neat,other than its complete and utter fantasy on sheens part...and he doesnt say its fictional until further down the page...in small lettering LOL



My bad, 707.. and jet fuel can't account for the exploding buildings.

I haven't read the letter, I've seen the video. But from what I've heard he had a list of seven questions, I'm not 100% sure, don't really care because I know he's not going to get any serious coverage.

Are you referring to the hypothetical interview with President Obama?
maximius
More like 20..oh and the buildings didnt explode..

controlled demolition vs. reality
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I recently had the pleasure of sitting down with our 44th President of the United States of America, Barack Hussein Obama, while he was out promoting his health care reform initiative. I requested 30 minutes given the scope and detail of my inquiry; they said I could have 20. Twenty minutes, 1200 seconds, not a lot of time to question the President about one of the most important events in our nation’s history. The following is a transcript of our remarkable discussion.
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Charlie Sheen – Good afternoon Mr. President, thank you so much for taking time out of your demanding schedule.
President Barack Obama – My pleasure, the content of your request seemed like something I should carve out a few minutes for.
CS – I should point out that I voted for you, as your promises of hope and change, transparency and accountability, as well as putting government back into the hands of the American people, struck an emotional chord in me that I hadn’t felt in quite some time, perhaps ever.
PBO – And I appreciate that Charlie. Big fan of the show, by the way.
CS – Sir, I can’t imagine when you might find the time to actually watch my show given the measure of what you inherited.
PBO – I have it Tivo’d on Air Force One. Nice break from the traveling press corps. (He glances at his watch) not to be abrupt or to rush you, but you have 19 minutes left.
CS – I’ll take that as an invitation to cut to the chase.
PBO – I’m all ears. Or so I’ve been told.
CS - Sir, in the very near future we will be experiencing our first 9/11 anniversary with you as Commander in Chief.
PBO – Yes. A very solemn day for our Nation. A day of reflection and yet a day of historical consciousness as well.
CS – Very much so sir, very much so indeed…. Now; In researching your position regarding the events of 9/11 and the subsequent investigation that followed, am I correct to understand that you fully support and endorse the findings of the commission report otherwise known as the ‘official story’?
PBO – Do I have any reason not to? Given that most of us are presumably in touch with similar evidence.
CS – I really wish that were the case, sir. Are you aware, Mr. President, of the recent stunning revelations that sixty percent of the 9/11 commissioners have publicly stated that the government agreed not to tell the truth about 9/11 and that the Pentagon was engaged in deliberate deception about their response to the attack?
PBO – I am aware of certain “in fighting” during the course of their very thorough and tireless investigative process.
CS – Mr. President, it’s hard to label this type of friction as “in fighting” or make the irresponsible leap to “thorough,” when the evidence I insist you examine regarding 6 of the 10 members are statements of fact.
(At this point one of Obama’s senior aides approaches the President and whispers into his ear. Obama glances quickly at his watch and nods as the aide resumes his post at the doorway, directly behind me.)
PBO – No disrespect Mr. Sheen, but I have to ask; what is it that you seem to be implying with the initial direction of this discussion?
CS – I am not implying anything Mr. President. I am here to present the facts and see what you plan to do with them.
PBO - Let me guess; your ‘facts,’ allegedly supporting these claims are in the folders you brought with you?
CS – Good guess Mr. President.
(I hand the first folder of documents to the President)
CS – Again sir, these are not my opinions or assumptions, this is all a matter of public record, reported through mainstream media, painstakingly fact checked and verified.
(the President glances into the folder I handed him)
CS – You’ll notice sir on page one of the dossier dated August of ‘06 from the Washington Post, the statements of John Farmer, senior council to the 9/11 commission, his quote stating, “I was shocked how different the truth was from the way it was described.”
PBO – (as he glances down at the report, almost inaudible) …. um hmm….
CS – He goes on to further state “The [NORAD Air Defense] tapes told a radically different story from what had been told to us and the public for two years….”
(the President continues to view the documents)

Charlie Sheen writing 20 Minutes with the President. Photo by Alex Jones.

CS – On pages two and three, sir, are the statements, as well, from commission co-chairmen Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton, commissioners Bob Kerrey, Timothy Roemer and John Lehman, as well as the statements of commissioner Max Cleland, an ex-Senator from Georgia , who resigned, stating:
“It is a national scandal. This investigation is now compromised. One of these days we will have to get the full story because the 9/11 issue is so important to America. But this White House wants to cover it up.”
He also described President Bush’s desire to delay the process as not to damage the ‘04 re-election bid. They suspected deception to the point where they considered referring the matter to the Justice Department for criminal investigation. Mr. President, this information alone is unequivocally grounds for a new investigation!
PBO – Mistakes were clearly made but we as a people and as a country need to move forward. It is obviously in our best interest as a democratic society to focus our efforts and our resources on the future of this great nation and our ability to protect the American people and our allies from this type of terrorism in the coming years.
CS – Sir, how can we focus on the future when THE COMMISSION ITSELF is on record stating that they still do not know the truth??
PBO – Even if what you state, might in some capacity, begin to approach an open discussion or balanced debate, I can’t speak for, or about the decisions certain commission members made during an extremely difficult period. Perhaps you should be interviewing them instead of me. Wait, don’t tell me; I was easier to track down than they were?
CS - Not exactly sir, but let’s be honest. You’re the President of the United States, the leader of the free world, the buck stops with you. 9/11 has been the pretext for the systematic dismantling of our Constitution and Bill of Rights. Your administration is reading from the same playbook that the Bush administration foisted on America through documented secrecy and deception.
PBO – Mr. Sheen, I’m having a difficult time sitting here and listening to you draw distorted parallels between the Bush/Cheney regime and mine.
CS – Mr. President the parallels are not distorted just because you say they are. Let’s stick to the facts. You promised to abolish the Patriot Act and then voted to re-authorize it. You pledged to end warrantless wire tapping against the American people and now energetically defend it. You decried the practice of rendition and now continue it. You promised over and over again on the campaign trail, that you would end the practice of indefinite detention and instead, you have expanded it to permanent detention of “detainees” without trial. This far exceeds the outrages of the former administration. Call me crazy Mr. President, but is this not your record?
(ARTICLE CONTINUES BELOW)

PBO – Mr. Sheen, my staff and I authorized this interview based on your request to discuss 9/11 and deliver some additional information you’re convinced I’d not previously reviewed. Call me crazy, But it appears as though you’ve blindly wandered off topic.
CS – Sir, the examples I just illustrated are a direct result of 9/11.
PBO – And I’m telling you that we must move forward, we must endure through these dangerous and politically challenging years ahead.
CS – Mr. President, we cannot move forward with a bottomless warren of unanswered questions surrounding that day and its aftermath.
PBO – I read the official report. Every word every page. Perhaps you should do the same.
CS – I have sir, and so have thousands of family members of the victims, and guess what; they have the same questions I do and probably a lot more. I didn’t lose a loved one on that horrific day Mr. President and neither did you. But since then I, along with millions of other Americans lost something we held true and dear for most of our lives in this great country of ours; we lost our hope.
PBO – And I’d like to believe that I am here to restore that hope. To restore confidence in your leaders, in the system that the voting public chose through a peaceful transfer of power.
(An odd moment of silence between us. Precious time ticking away).
CS – Mr. President, are you aware of the number of days it took to begin the investigation into JFK’s assassination?
PBO – If memory serves I believe it was two weeks.
CS – Close. Seventeen days to be exact. Are you aware sir, how long it took to begin the investigation into Pearl Harbor?
PBO – I would say again about….two weeks.
CS – Close again sir, eleven days to be exact. Are you aware Mr. President how long it took to begin the investigation into 9/11?
PBO – I know it must have seemed like a very long time for all the grieving families.
CS – It was a very long time Mr. President – four hundred and forty days. Roughly 14 months. Does it bother you Mr. President that it only took FIVE HOURS for Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld after the initial attack to recommend and endorse a full scale offensive against Iraq?
PBO – I am not aware of any such purported claim.
CS – I have the proof Mr. President, along with scores of documents and facts I’d like you to take a look at. Here.
(I hand him another file – much thicker than the first)
PBO – I see you came prepared Charlie.
CS – No other way to show up Mr. President. When in doubt over prepare I always say.
PBO – Now you sound like the First Lady.
CS – That’s quite a compliment sir.
PBO – As you wish. Please continue.
CS – Sir, I’d like to direct your attention to the stack of documents in the folder I just handed you. The first in from the top is entitled “Operation Northwoods”, a declassified Pentagon plan to stage terror attacks on US soil, to be blamed on Cuba as a pretext for war.
PBO – And I’d like to direct your attention to the fact that the principle draftsman of this improbable blueprint was quickly denied a second term as Joint Chiefs chairman and sent packing to a European NATO garrison. Thank God his otherworldly ambitions never saw the light of day.
CS – I wouldn’t be so certain about that Mr. President.
PBO – I could easily say the same to you Charlie.
(the President checks his watch)
CS – The next document reads “Declassified staged provocations.” Now, Honestly Mr. President I wish I was making this stuff up. I’m certain you are familiar with the USS Maine Incident, the sinking of the Lusitania, which we all now know brought us into WW1, and of course the most famous, the Gulf of Tonkin incident.
PBO – Of course I am familiar with these historical events and I’m aware that there’s a measure of controversy surrounding them. But to be quite frank with you, this is all ancient history.
CS – Mr. President, it has been often said; “Those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it.” And I concede to you sir, these events are the past.
PBO – A vastly different world young man, shouldering a radically disparate state of universal affairs.
CS – No argument sir, I‘m merely inviting you to acknowledge some credibility to the pattern or the theme. Case in point; the next document in your folder. It was published by the think-tank, Project For a New American Century and it’s entitled “Rebuilding Americas Defenses”, and was written by Dick Cheney and Jeb Bush. To quote from the document sir – (the President interrupts)
PBO – “Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor.”
CS – Touch, sir. Your thoughts on this statement Mr. President?
PBO – I would call this a blatant case of misjudgment fueled by an unfortunate milieu of assumption. For some, the uninformed denial of coincidence.
CS – Interesting angle sir. Nevertheless, Vice President Cheney didn’t stop there. In early 2008, Pulitzer prize winning journalist Seymour Hersh and MSNBC, both reported that Cheney had proposed to the Pentagon an outrageous plan to have the U.S. Navy create fake Iranian patrol boats, to be manned by Navy Seals, who would then stage an attack on US destroyers in the Strait of Hormuz. This event was to be blamed on Iran and used as a pretext for war. Does any of this information worry you Mr. President? Should we just ignore it, until these realities can be dismissed years from now by our children, as ancient history as well?
PBO – Of course this information worries me, yet it’s not nearly as worrisome as you sitting here today suspiciously implying that 9/11 was somehow allowed to happen or even orchestrated from the inside.
CS – Mr. President I am not suspiciously implying anything. I am merely exposing the documents and asking the questions that nobody in power will even look at or acknowledge. And as I stated earlier, I voted for you, I believed in your message of hope and change. Mr. President I have come to you specifically hoping for a change. A change in the perception that our government has not yet made itself open and accountable to the people. These are your words Mr. President not mine. The lives of thousands were brutally cut short and those left behind to suffer their infinite pain are with me today Mr. President. They are with me in spirit and flesh, and the message we carry will not be silenced anymore by media fueled mantras insisting how they are supposed to feel. Deciding for them, for 8 long years, what can be thought, what can be said, what can be asked.
PBO – And I appreciate your passion, I appreciate your conviction. In spite of your concerns, in spite of what your data might or might not reveal, what you and the families must understand and accept is that we are doing everything we can to protect you.
CS – Mr. President , I realize were very short on time, so please allow me to run down a list of bullet points that might illuminate some reasons why we don’t embrace the warm hug of Federal protection.
PBO – We’ve come this far. Fire away.
CS – Please keep in mind Mr. President everything I’m about to say is documented as fact and part of the public record. The information you are holding in your hands chronicles and verifies each and every point.
PBO – You have five minutes left. The floor is yours. Brief me.
(ARTICLE CONTINUES BELOW)

CS – Thank you Mr. President. Okay, first; On the FBI’s most wanted list Osama Bin Laden is not charged with the crimes of 911. When I called the FBI to ask them why this was the case, they replied: “There’s not enough evidence to link Bin Laden to the crime scene,” I later discovered he had never even been indicted by the D.O.J.
CS – Number 2; FBI translator Sibel Edmonds, was dismissed and gagged by the D.O.J. after she revealed that the government had foreknowledge of plans to attack American cities using planes as bombs as early as April 2001. In July of ‘09, Mrs. Edmonds broke the Federal gag order and went public to reveal that Osama Bin Laden, Al Qaeda and the Taliban were all working for and with the C.I.A. up until the day of 9/11.
CS – Number 3; The following is a quote from Mayor Giuliani during an interview on 9/11 with Peter Jennings for ABC News. “I went down to the scene and we set up headquarters at 75 Barkley Street, which was right there with the Police Commissioner, the Fire Commissioner, the Head of Emergency Management, and we were operating out of there when we were told that the World Trade Center was going to collapse. And it did collapse before we could actually get out of the building, so we were trapped in the building for 10, 15 minutes, and finally found an exit and got out, walked north, and took a lot of people with us.”
WHO TOLD HIM THIS??? To this day, the answer to this question remains unanswered, completely ignored and emphatically DENIED by Mayor Giuliani on several public occasions.
CS – Number 4; In April 2004, USA Today reported, “In the two years before the Sept. 11 attacks, the North American Aerospace Defense Command conducted exercises simulating what the White House says was unimaginable at the time: hijacked airliners used as weapons to crash into targets and cause mass casualties.” One of the targets was the World Trade Center.
CS – Number 5; On September 12th 2007, CNN’s ‘Anderson Cooper 360’, reported that the mysterious “white plane” spotted and videotaped by multiple media outlets, flying in restricted airspace over the White House shortly before 10am on the morning of 9/11, was in fact the Air Force’s E-4B, a specially modified Boeing 747 with a communications pod behind the cockpit; otherwise known as “The Doomsday Plane”.
Though fully aware of the event, the 9/11 Commission did not deem the appearance of the military plane to be of any interest and did not include it in the final 9/11 Commission report.
CS – Number 6; Three F-16s assigned to Andrews Air Force Base, ten miles from Washington, DC, are conducting training exercises in North Carolina 207 miles away as the first plane crashes into the WTC. Even at significantly less than their top speed of 1500 mph, they could still have defended the skies over Washington well before 9am, more than 37 minutes before Flight 77 crashes into the Pentagon, however, they did not return until after 9:55am.
Andrews AFB had no armed fighters on alert and ready to take off on the morning of 9/11.
CS – Number 7; WTC Building 7. Watch the video of its collapse.
CS – Number 8; Flight 93 is fourth plane to crash on 9/11 at 10:03am. V.P. Cheney only gives shoot down order at 10:10-10:20am and this is not communicated to NORAD until 28 minutes after Flight 93 has crashed.
Fueling further suspicion on this front is the fact that three months before the attacks of 9/11, Dick Cheney usurped control of NORAD, and therefore he, and no one else on planet Earth, had the power to call for military sorties on the hijacked airliners on 9/11. He did not exercise that power. Three months after 9/11, he relinquished command of NORAD and returned it to military operation.
CS – Number 9; Scores of main stream news outlets reported that the F.B.I. conducted an investigation of at least FIVE of the 9/11 hijackers being trained at U.S. military flight schools. Those investigations are now sealed and need to be declassified.
CS – Number 10; In 2004, New York firefighters Mike Bellone and Nicholas DeMasi went public to say they had found the black boxes at the World Trade Center, but were told to keep their mouths shut by FBI agents. Nicholas DeMasi said that he escorted federal agents on an all-terrain vehicle in October 2001 and helped them locate the devices, a story backed up by rescue volunteer Mike Bellone.
As the Philadelphia Daily News reported at the time, “Their story raises the question of whether there was a some type of cover-up at Ground Zero.”
CS – Number 11 – Hundreds of eye witnesses including first responders, fire captains, news reporters, and police, all described multiple explosions in both towers before and during the collapse.
CS – Number 12; An astounding video uncovered from the archives shows BBC News correspondent Jane Standley reporting on the collapse of WTC Building 7 over twenty minutes before it fell at 5:20pm on the afternoon of 9/11. Tapes from earlier BBC broadcasts show news anchors discussing the collapse of WTC 7 a full 26 minutes in advance. The BBC at first claimed that their tapes from 9/11 had been “lost” before admitting that they made the “error” of reporting the collapse of WTC 7 before it happened without adequately explaining how they could have obtained advance knowledge of the event.
In addition, over an hour before the collapse of WTC 7, at 4:10pm, CNN’s Aaron Brown reported that the building “has either collapsed, or is collapsing.”
CS – Number 13; Solicitor General Ted Olson’s claim that his wife Barbara Olsen called him twice from Flight 77, describing hijackers with box cutters, was a central plank of the official 9/11 story.
However, the credibility of the story was completely undermined after Olsen kept changing his story about whether his wife used her cell phone or the airplane phone. The technology to enable cell phone calls from high-altitude airline flights was not created until 2004. American Airlines confirmed that Flight 77 was a Boeing 757 and that this plane did not have airplane phones on board.
According to the FBI, Barbara Olsen attempted to call her husband only once and the call failed to connect, therefore Olsen must have been lying when he claimed he had spoken to his wife from Flight 77.
CS – Number 14; The size of a Boeing 757 is approximately 125ft in width and yet images of the impact zone at the Pentagon supposedly caused by the crash merely show a hole no more than 16ft in diameter. The engines of the 757 would have punctured a hole bigger than this, never mind the whole plane. Images before the partial collapse of the impact zone show little real impact damage and a sparse debris field completely inconsistent with the crash of a large jetliner, especially when contrasted with other images showing airplane crashes into buildings.
CS – Number 15; What is the meaning behind the following quote attributed to Dick Cheney which came to light during the 9/11 Commission hearings? The passage is taken from testimony given by then Secretary of Transportation Norman Mineta.
During the time that the airplane was coming in to the Pentagon, there was a young man who would come in and say to the Vice President, “The plane is 50 miles out.” “The plane is 30 miles out.” And when it got down to “the plane is 10 miles out,” the young man also said to the Vice President, “Do the orders still stand?” And the Vice President turned and whipped his neck around and said, “Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?”
As the plane was not shot down, in addition to the fact that armed fighter jets were nowhere near the plane and the Pentagon defensive system was not activated, are we to take it that the orders were to let the plane find its target?
CS – Number 16; In May 2003, the Miami Herald reported how the Bush administration was refusing to release a 900-page congressional report on 9/11 because it wanted to “avoid enshrining embarrassing details in the report,” particularly regarding pre-9/11 warnings as well as the fact that the hijackers were trained at U.S. flight schools.
CS – Number 17; Top Pentagon officials cancelled their scheduled flights for September 11th on September 10th. San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown, following a security warning, cancelled a flight into New York that was scheduled for the morning of 9/11.
CS – Number 18; The technology to enable cell phone calls from high-altitude airline flights was not created until 2004, and even by that point it was only in the trial phase. Calls from cell phones which formed an integral part of the official government version of events were technologically impossible at the time.
CS – Number 19: On April 29, 2004, President Bush and V.P. Cheney would only meet with the commission under specific clandestine conditions. They insisted on testifying together and not under oath. They also demanded that their testimony be treated as a matter of “state secret.” To date, nothing they spoke of that day exists in the public domain.
CS – And finally Mr. President – Number 20; A few days after the attack, several newspapers as well as the FBI reported that a paper passport had been found in the ruins of the WTC. In August 2004, CNN reported that 9/11 hijacker Ziad Jarrah’s visa was found in the remains of Flight 93 which went down in Shanksville, Pennsylvania.
At least a third of the WTC victim’s bodies were vaporized and many of the victims of the Pentagon incident were burned beyond recognition. And yet visas and paper passports which identify the perpetrators and back up the official version of events miraculously survive explosions and fires that we are told melted steel buildings.
(The Senior aide appears again beside the President whispering in his ear. He then quickly moves off).
PBO – Well Charlie I can’t say this hasn’t been interesting. As I said earlier you’ve showed up today focused and organized. Regardless how I feel about the material you’ve presented, I must commend your dedication and zeal. However, our time here is up.
(the President rises from his chair , I do the same).
CS – Mr. President! One more second!
(The President starts towards the door – I follow him quickly step for step).
CS – Mr. President, I implore you based on the evidence you now possess, to use your Executive Power. Prove to us all Sir, that you do, in fact, care. Create a truly comprehensive and open Congressional investigation of 9/11 and its aftermath. The families deserve the truth, the American people and the rest of the free world deserve the truth. Mr. President -
(He pauses. We shake hands).
CS – Make sure you’re on the right side of history.
(The President breaks the handshake).
PBO – I am on the right side of history. Thank you Charlie, my staff and I will be in touch.
(I watch as he strides gracefully out of the room, the truth I provided him held firmly by his side; in the hand of providence.)

Author’s Note: What you have just read didn’t actually happen… yet.

Sound familiar any of those points ?tongue.gif

(Ill give you a hint:every single one has been debunked ad nauseum)
omnitribe
QUOTE(maximius @ Nov 8 2009, 12:00 AM) *
More like 20..oh and the buildings didnt explode..

controlled demolition vs. reality

Sound familiar any of those points ?tongue.gif


Dude I don't care about Charlie Sheen or your copy and paste work, why did this even come up? Is it because he's an easy target? Is your only defense against the truth laughter and ridicule of individuals? Obviously he doesn't represent the truth movement, though it is honorable of him to put his voice out there for it.

And the buildings DID explode. OPEN. UP. YOUR. EYES. DUDE.

Are you in the military?
Skamp
QUOTE(omnitribe @ Nov 7 2009, 11:07 PM) *
And the buildings DID explode. OPEN. UP. YOUR. EYES. DUDE.


PROOF ?
omnitribe
QUOTE(Skamp @ Nov 8 2009, 12:11 AM) *
PROOF ?


Isn't seeing believing? ..they exploded.

But there is ample proof for the hypothesis of a controlled demolision, I'm too lazy to repeat myself though. If you really wanted to know you would have looked for it already.
maximius
QUOTE(omnitribe @ Nov 8 2009, 12:07 AM) *
Dude I don't care about Charlie Sheen or your copy and paste work, why did this even come up? Is it because he's an easy target? Is your only defense against the truth laughter and ridicule of individuals? Obviously he doesn't represent the truth movement, though it is honorable of him to put his voice out there for it.

And the buildings DID explode. OPEN. UP. YOUR. EYES. DUDE.


Hurt feelings are the worst kind of feelings:P...
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Are you in the military?

How is that relevant to this particular discussion?
omnitribe
QUOTE(maximius @ Nov 8 2009, 12:15 AM) *
Hurt feelings are the worst kind of feelings:P...

How is that relevant to this particular discussion?


What hurt feelings?

Because then I could understand your bias.
Skamp
QUOTE(omnitribe @ Nov 7 2009, 11:14 PM) *
Isn't seeing believing? ..they exploded.

But there is ample proof for the hypothesis of a controlled demolision, I'm too lazy to repeat myself though. If you really wanted to know you would have looked for it already.


Oh i looked through all of your posts on this topic and you have said fuck all.

I have also watched the towers fall too many times to be classed as healthy and i have not seen them explode,so if you can show me these explosions (not windows shattering due to the pressure of the floors above falling) then i would be forced to agree with you.
maximius
QUOTE(omnitribe @ Nov 8 2009, 12:17 AM) *
What hurt feelings?

Because then I could understand your bias.

Nice going,try discrediting EVERYONE serving in the military..
edit: my bias comes from having to listen to your constantly debunked dribble again and again...realizing that you are affecting our young and impressionable,thus impairing their ability to view the world in any normal healthy fashion..
And growing up in a dreamworld like all you bubbleheads..
morpheusprime
QUOTE(omnitribe @ Nov 7 2009, 06:14 PM) *
Isn't seeing believing? ..they exploded.



no its not. seeing something dose not explain what happened. you saw them fall. that's it. anything else is assumption. that is what you saw.
Wingnutt
jerry.gif

Just kidding. This is an interesting discussion thread. Keep it up guys !
omnitribe
QUOTE(Skamp @ Nov 8 2009, 12:21 AM) *


I don't care much for copy and paste debates here. I have made points, mostly they are common sense claims that can be supported, though I addmit I have not sourced everything I've said, my bad. I'm not qualified to have a debate on the physics, but I can direct you to those who are.
maximius
omnitribe
QUOTE(morpheusprime @ Nov 8 2009, 12:23 AM) *
no its not. seeing something dose not explain what happened. you saw them fall. that's it. anything else is assumption. that is what you saw.


I saw them explode and collapse in the path of least resistance, actually.
Skamp
QUOTE(omnitribe @ Nov 7 2009, 11:25 PM) *
I don't care much for copy and paste debates here. I have made points, mostly they are common sense claims that can be supported, though I addmit I have not sourced everything I've said, my bad. I'm not qualified to have a debate on the physics, but I can direct you to those who are.


Ahh the retard has realised that we are able to read all of his previous posts.

Well done,Slow hand clap
maximius
QUOTE
mostly they are common sense claims that can be supported,


Yeah as much common sense as your average monkey...
omnitribe
QUOTE(maximius @ Nov 8 2009, 12:32 AM) *
Yeah as much common sense as your average monkey...

huh.gif

So, are you in the military?
Skamp
QUOTE(omnitribe @ Nov 7 2009, 11:29 PM) *
I saw them explode and collapse in the path of least resistance, actually.


You saw the Towers fall due to the 30 floors above them collapsing (30 fucking floors),the Floor supports were not made to take that weight & certainly not sturdy enough to take that extra weight falling on them.
morpheusprime
QUOTE(omnitribe @ Nov 7 2009, 06:29 PM) *
I saw them explode and collapse in the path of least resistance, actually.


how do you know it was the path of least resistance? why not 2nd to last? your x-ray vision examined the buildings support structure and your structural engineering background confirms this? or because you saw it and you know.

ever see an optical illusion book. which line is longer. one looks short, one looks long. you measure them, they are the same. would you argue to this extent over what you saw in the book? you saw it, you must be right.
Skamp
QUOTE(morpheusprime @ Nov 7 2009, 11:45 PM) *
how do you know it was the path of least resistance? why not 2nd to last? your x-ray vision examined the buildings support structure and your structural engineering background confirms this? or because you saw it and you know.

ever see an optical illusion book. which line is longer. one looks short, one looks long. you measure them, they are the same. would you argue to this extent over what you saw in the book? you saw it, you must be right.

Those books are the work of the Devil.
maximius
QUOTE(omnitribe @ Nov 8 2009, 12:35 AM) *
huh.gif

So, are you in the military?

Can you see my profile picture as well as my avatar?
again irrelevant for this discussion..
crypto
QUOTE(maximius @ Nov 8 2009, 12:00 AM) *
More like 20..oh and the buildings didnt explode..

controlled demolition vs. reality


I can make the buildings transform into giant robots and fly to the moon with my computer emoticon-0126-nerd.gif

Thank you for posting the interview, I had no idea it ever took place. I think he made a great 20 point list.

But most importantly, someone is still asking questions!

rockon.gif

Long live JFK!!

maximius
QUOTE(crypto @ Nov 8 2009, 12:59 AM) *
I can make the buildings transform into giant robots and fly to the moon with my computer emoticon-0126-nerd.gif

Thank you for posting the interview, I had no idea it ever took place. I think he made a great 20 point list.

But most importantly, someone is still asking questions!

rockon.gif

Long live JFK!!

Correction..someone is asking redundant..debated to death and not to mention debunked questions...
Cant you see you cannot continue to live in this fantasy land of yours if you want to be taken seriously by the general population as sane human beings...as well as retaining a healthy world view and dont see ghosts in broad daylight everywhere you go..
whats the dangers of believing in conspiracy theories?
hmmm:

Ruby Ridge

Oklahoma City Bombing

The Montana Freeman Stand-off

Bill Cooper (gunned down after grabbing for a weapon to shoot at police)

The James Wenneker von Brunn Holocaust Museum Shooting

The Posse Comitatus incidents


Anyone who dies as a result of using eastern medicine when western medicine could have cured it. (<---part of all the big pharma, anti-vax, scientific dictatorship
To a certain degree the KKK and Neo Nazi groups, who believe the Jews run the banks


The Holocaust

Crusades

Inquisition

The Middle East Conflict

Waco

Jonestown

Abortion clinic bombings

Mosque bombings

Church Bombings

Salem Witch Trials


Edit:oh and I am actually a big fan of Charlie Sheen.."platoon" is one of my favourites from childhood as well as "hot shots 1+2" etc hes a great actor,but he should stick to just that..acting..oh and FYI the interview DID NOT take place..read the bottom lines..
hulkling
why do you guys even bother talking to those idiots.

let them believe what they want.
they will find out the truth when they get fucked over by their own people.


i dont care any longer. let them get killed for those government asses. let them believe what they want.


and the so called truthseekers/truthers/alex jones lovers etc etc.

if things are really the way you guys think then we are fucked anyways because no matter what people do... without a fight there wont be any change.... so if the so called new world order is real then you would only be able to get rid of them by using force. peacefull protests wont help at all.

and why doenst it work? because as long as those people are in power they will throw out any resitance/bill /person etc etc that could hurt them.

so if you dont believe in all that stuff great for you..dont do anything and just wait and see ...

if you do believe in all that stuff great! but dont bother waking up people if you are not going to use force because it wont help...just prepare for the shit hitting the fan.

if nothing happens...GREAT nobody will get in trouble and the people will see you were wrong but no harm done

if something would happen like the nwo trying to enslave everybody/martial law etc etc etc... well then you are prepared and dont have to worry... then the people will also see you were right and things will go on from there.


no matter what you believe just make sure you have some stuff prepared. it will also help you when disasters happen


dont worry about anything.. just worry about protecting loved ones in case of trouble. forget the rest things are fucked up anyway



maximius
QUOTE(hulkling @ Nov 8 2009, 01:40 AM) *
why do you guys even bother talking to those idiots.

let them believe what they want.
they will find out the truth when they get fucked over by their own people.
i dont care any longer. let them get killed for those government asses. let them believe what they want.
and the so called truthseekers/truthers/alex jones lovers etc etc.

if things are really the way you guys think then we are fucked anyways because no matter what people do... without a fight there wont be any change.... so if the so called new world order is real then you would only be able to get rid of them by using force. peacefull protests wont help at all.

and why doenst it work? because as long as those people are in power they will throw out any resitance/bill /person etc etc that could hurt them.

so if you dont believe in all that stuff great for you..dont do anything and just wait and see ...

if you do believe in all that stuff great! but dont bother waking up people if you are not going to use force because it wont help...just prepare for the shit hitting the fan.

if nothing happens...GREAT nobody will get in trouble and the people will see you were wrong but no harm done

if something would happen like the nwo trying to enslave everybody/martial law etc etc etc... well then you are prepared and dont have to worry... then the people will also see you were right and things will go on from there.
no matter what you believe just make sure you have some stuff prepared. it will also help you when disasters happen
dont worry about anything.. just worry about protecting loved ones in case of trouble. forget the rest things are fucked up anyway


You obviously didnt read my last post that illustrate why its harmful to believe in something completeley IMAGINARY..

A friend of mine and actually myself somewhat found conspiracy theories intriguing until further study a few years back..
Imagine that feeling of "knowing" that a person or a group of people committed a brutal murder or a heinous crime and there was nothing you could do about it. There was nothing you could do about it, because any "evidence" you present will be ignored or suppressed. That feeling of imprisonment is not mentally healthy and not a good way to live your life.

There's nothing good about grand conspiracy-minded thinking.
morpheusprime
the really dangerous thing about it is how passionate people get. if enough people think something will happen, and they are that scared, their actions can set off a chain of events that can make it really happen. this is how prophesy and visions come true. they are self fulfilled.
crypto
QUOTE(maximius @ Nov 8 2009, 01:11 AM) *
oh and FYI the interview DID NOT take place..read the bottom lines..


He still makes a great 20 points emoticon-0140-rofl.gif

I have the right to live in whatever fantasy I want... why do you care? Are you afraid I'll do those things you listed? That would make me the same as the people responsible, I try to be smarter then them. I'm hoping the general population will pay more attention to politicians then to movie stars, musicians, athletes and tv in general. Maybe one day they will elect decent, average ordinary citizens who care more about the people then the corporate people.
crypto
QUOTE(hulkling @ Nov 8 2009, 01:40 AM) *
forget the rest things are fucked up anyway


I hear ya brother, but I think democracy is a way for people to solve these problems without resorting to violence. Yes its slow and cumbersome, prone to corruption but it does work when the people unite... thats all I'm hoping for and yes its a lot of work but I think its worth it. Now if they start canceling elections when we decide to elect the right people... emoticon-0138-thinking.gif well, we'll just have to cross that bridge if we get there
mark8
QUOTE(maximius @ Nov 8 2009, 12:11 AM) *
Correction..someone is asking redundant..debated to death and not to mention debunked questions...
Cant you see you cannot continue to live in this fantasy land of yours if you want to be taken seriously by the general population as sane human beings...as well as retaining a healthy world view and dont see ghosts in broad daylight everywhere you go..
whats the dangers of believing in conspiracy theories?
hmmm:

Ruby Ridge

Oklahoma City Bombing

The Montana Freeman Stand-off

Bill Cooper (gunned down after grabbing for a weapon to shoot at police)

The James Wenneker von Brunn Holocaust Museum Shooting

The Posse Comitatus incidents
Anyone who dies as a result of using eastern medicine when western medicine could have cured it. (<---part of all the big pharma, anti-vax, scientific dictatorship
To a certain degree the KKK and Neo Nazi groups, who believe the Jews run the banks
The Holocaust

Crusades

Inquisition

The Middle East Conflict

Waco

Jonestown

Abortion clinic bombings

Mosque bombings

Church Bombings

Salem Witch Trials
Edit:oh and I am actually a big fan of Charlie Sheen.."platoon" is one of my favourites from childhood as well as "hot shots 1+2" etc hes a great actor,but he should stick to just that..acting..oh and FYI the interview DID NOT take place..read the bottom lines..


Two and a half men is kinda funny.......



Crypto
QUOTE
Maybe one day they will elect decent, average ordinary citizens who care more about the people then the corporate people.


Just not Ron Paul, he's just another creationist idiot with shit for brains...
BlackhawkNZ
QUOTE(maximius @ Nov 8 2009, 01:53 PM) *
You obviously didnt read my last post that illustrate why its harmful to believe in something completeley IMAGINARY..

A friend of mine and actually myself somewhat found conspiracy theories intriguing until further study a few years back..
Imagine that feeling of "knowing" that a person or a group of people committed a brutal murder or a heinous crime and there was nothing you could do about it. There was nothing you could do about it, because any "evidence" you present will be ignored or suppressed. That feeling of imprisonment is not mentally healthy and not a good way to live your life.

There's nothing good about grand conspiracy-minded thinking.


I agree with you whole heartedly there mate.

I used to be a bit of a conspiracy buff, I listened to Alex Jones and decried the "NWO". The thing is, all of the things that these fear mongers such as Jones say never actually comes to fruition.

It is not a healthy way to live, feeling like big brother is always watching you, that the worlds governments are united in creating a one world government just so they can wipe out the majority of the worlds population.. that really is crazy talk.

However, I do believe that the Bush administration used the 911 attacks to move into Iraq etc etc, they didn't however, create a false flag attack on the US. That really is retarded.

Conspiracy theories, once a cute little sideshow that roused a giggle from the mainstream population have now become big business. More and more people are becoming suckered into believing crazy ideas (such as Ickes claim that the majority of politicians are REPTILES??) and this has become damaging to society as a whole. The real issues are now no longer being looked at. A prime example are the tea baggers claiming that Obama is a Nazi and a socialist, that he wants to take the US from the people yadda yadda. They do not want national health care coverage for... well, nobody has actually come up with a reason as to why not. But they believe it is a big conspiracy by the Obama admin. That is harming the US, if the bill is not passed, then millions of Americans will still have to rely on completely unreliable insurance companies, and millions will die because they cannot afford health care... why? Because a bunch of tin foil hat wearing tea baggers believe that Obama is out to get every body.

I am not saying that all conspiracy theories are untrue, but one really has to take the vast majority of them with a grain of salt.

The day I really started to stop believing in nonsense was the day I talked to my father (Sgt Mjr NZ Army ret) about Vietnam and the supposed conspiracy theories regarding the war there. He cleared a lot up for me then, things that I swore black and blue were true, ended up being a pile of codswallop.

So tin foil hat wearers, call me a "sheep" if you will, at least I'm not living my life in fear, expecting danger to come at every turn. I'm living my life the best I can... not afraid.
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