Pacquiao vs. Cotto

On November 14, Pacquiao is slated to face WBO welterweight champion Miguel Ángel Cotto of Puerto Rico, at the MGM Grand Las Vegas.

So, who wins? Personally I think, and hope, it is Manny. Just because he is from Gensan. I kinda have to root for him.

But if Manny wins it would hopefully lead to Manny-Mayweather fight.

Pacman will be way to good for Cotto......knock out in 5

Cotto has power and always has a puncher's chance. Manny will be moving up in weight but he has, so far, brought his power with him as he goes up in class. One thing to note, the typhoons brought Manny's training camp to an all-too-soon halt over his objections with his trainer Roach. Yet I doubt it matters too much as unlike most champions today he actually fights quite often.

But I think Manny will win in the middle rounds by TKO. If it goes the distance then I'd bet the farm Manny wins a decision. He just has too many tools at his disposal. Cotto I think can best win with early KO or early stoppage on cuts.

Just on side note, I was on a plane with Manny once coming out of Toyko. You'd thought Christ has risen from the cross how the Pinoy/Pinay lined up to knuckle their foreheads lol. In hindsight I kick myself for not getting his autograph. Not for myself but my pinoy friends.

the pacman haters and there are quite a few will say he will get smashed due to cotto's power, look at cottos defence in the previous fight, if he doesnt improve on that i honestly think we will see cotto carried out on a stretcher, this is a tailor made fight for pacman.

pacman to win it around the 10-12 rounds by knock out when cotto is down on the scorecard and has to take risks

I'm yet to meet a hater of Pac who is a fight fan.

Should be a good fight. Sure Cotto wasn't at his best last fight, as he'd just came back from a controversial defeat, and the accidental headbutt didn't do him any favours.

People tend to judge too quickly. Cotto is a World Class fighter, as is Manny. I'm a big fan of both, what with their 'I'll-fight-anyone' attitude. Mayweather should take note of this also.

Hilarious they threw Mayweather to 2nd on the 'Ring Magazine Welterweight Division Ratings', with only one fight since his return. Marquez isn't even a welterweight for crying out loud, he's a lightweight. Then again, it is Ring Magazine afterall...

I'm hoping Cotto will end Pacman and get the KO, but I can't see it happening.

Pacman, KO, 4th.

It is funny isn't it? I know boxing ranking has always been....well, let us call it 'corrupt' but it may be my imagination but in my youth I recall when you had to actually earn those rankings.

BTW Tams I notice you are from the UK, 'Our 'enry' was robbed. He beat Ali the first fight.

It just seems a little idiotic to me is all. He hasn't earned it since his return, he's beat a lightweight. Cotto has beaten the best in the division in Shane Mosley and is ranked 3rd, below Mayweather who is ranked 2nd, who hasn't fought 3rd, neither 1st on the list. By all means throw him 2nd on the P4P rankings (Which is also flawed) as he beat the supposive 2nd best P4P fighter in the world, but Welterweight? He hasn't fought any of those fighters to be above them.

'Our 'Enry btw? I don't have an accent... I'm not a dumb cockney tyvm!

i'll judo chop both of them and that'll be the end of it.

You hit it spot on. I agree completely. And apologies, just when I talk to someone that likes boxing from the UK I feel utterly compelled to point out Cooper was robbed. Even Ali's corner man admits now they 'cheated' with the loose tape etc to save Ali.

I would not worry about it,the fight was not even a title fight i believe.
Ali gave him a title shot in the re-match though.

My bad, I took your post as sarcasm

I actually think Mayweather is a top fighter, and could be the best - But he has to prove it and fight the best. Hopefully we'll see Cotto/Pacman against Mayweather after this fight, can't wait for it myself.

Oh no. Not sarcasm at all. Nothing could be farther from the truth.

I think Mayweather it at the top of what is out there but like you, he needs to prove it right now. As it stands I think Manny is the man. I am hoping though that Manny doesn't 'look past' Cotto. If he does he may be asked to count fingers in front of his face and fail before the night is over. Not that I have anything against Cotto. It is not I'm against Cotto but for Manny.

One thing I was wondering. Why would Manny not insist at least once on something of a 'Thrilla from Manila.' I understand money is an issue but the PPV would still be huge, especially since it would embrace more of the overseas carriers. I'm just kinda tired of the Vegas venue.

Home from work, got the beers and the weed, can't wait for this one, hope I can find a decent stream...

Gomez must be related to Benjamin Button

Foreman fight was quality,what boxing is all about

Yep,a proper battle.

Chavez is and always has been a boring fighter.

not a patch on the old man thats for sure

anyways come on Pac.....got him in 5-7

Pacman all the way!

Good Fight! I cant wait until the Mosley fight as well as Margarite

Fantastic fight, Cotto is a warrior. It wasn't because he fought a bad fight.. Pacman is just in another league then any other fighter out there at present time. Huge respect for Cotto for trying to see it through, as well as Manny for the fantastic gameplan. If he beats Mayweather he'll go down as one of, if not the greatest P4P boxer of all time.. the guy is a magician.

Anyone see that utter shit performance from the protected Chavez Jr? Kelly Pavrik will destroy him within the first few rounds with that kind of defence.. no power.. no defence... 41 wins? Such a disgrace to have such a record. He needs to take a leaf out of Amir's book.. although I don't rate Kahn well, at least he went for the the title early on in his career. Chavez Snr looked appauled by the performance..

I have to say I think Cotto was robbed.

Hear me out. I feel he lost every round. Manny systematically destroyed him. But he was not hurt any more when it was stopped than he had been at any point in the fight. The ref jumped in too quick. I understand fully why the ref did it. The idea is to protect the fighters after all. But I think Cotto had earned the right to finish the fight. And I mean he earned it. He eat some serious leather to get there. And a Decision is better than TKO.

Now, I like Manny. I'm an ardent supporter. As I said before, I shared a plane with him coming out of Japan. Seems like a genuinely nice guy. Spent a few weeks in his hometown of Gensan this year. I fully expect to see him holding public office there. And why not? The Byzantine politics there could use him.

I been watching boxing for about 40 years. I have seen bona fide legends of the sport. I'm not sure if I can say this properly. But in the last 20 years the talent level in boxing is not what it used to be. I think part of why Manny can do what he does, and look so good doing it, is because there just isn't that many greats left. I'm not gainsaying his achievements or trying to belittle what he has done. I just do not know if he could have cut through so well if he had fought wars with the likes of Roberto Durán, the underrated great Jim Watt, Alexis Argüello, Héctor Camacho, Guts Ishimatsu, Pernell Whitaker, Boom Boom Mancini, Duk Koo Kim, Julio César Chávez, Azumah Nelson, Bobby Chacon, Cornelius Boza Edwards, Buddy McGirt, even the battling leather-eating Jesse James Hughes, Carlos Zarate, Ji Won Kim, Oscar de la Hoya etc. Hell, Oscar only fought him for the paycheck. He was way past his Sell-By date. Now these are just a few of the greats in my memory. I saw wars fought. I'm sure if my dad was alive he could list 5 times as many.

So it would be very hard for me to say Manny was best P4P fighter of all time. But he has done MORE than enough to be listed amongst the ranks of the greats of all time. Certainly he now ranks in my eyes with that other Filipino boxer, Pancho Villa. (For those who don't know, he was considered to be the best asian fighter of all time. Amassing an incredible 92 wins out of 109 fights before he tragically died at the age of only 23. One of the losses he had was his last fight. He had an abscessed tooth extracted the day of the fight. Apparently there was a bad infection and had several more teeth pulled the next day or so. The infection grew worse and he went into a coma and then died. 23 years old and 92 wins)

Right now I think Mayweather has to face Manny or give up on acting as if he is the best P4P. Right now Manny is on top of the world. I'm just not ready to think of him as the best P4P of all time even if he beats Mayweather. But if Mayweather decides to nut up, sack up and man up and fight Manny, and Manny wins (which I hope he would) he'd be my favorite P4P of all time. Hell, he already is.

You mentioned Chavez Jr. I did not see any of the undercard. Sad that he did so poorly. His dad was one of the best I saw. A P4P in his prime. Funny but when de la Hoya fought Chavez it was a lot like Manny fighting de la Hoya. Chavez should not have still been fighting. Must be hard to watch his son do poorly.

Sorry......I do not get to talk about boxing any more so I tend to ramble on. Anyway, here's to hoping Mayweather sees the $$ and goes for it right away.

A. You can only fight who is there...and he has,as has been the problem since time-Holmes being my fav boxer of all time.
B. Cotto robbed???? cant be bothered to answer this
C. Mayweather will beat Manny

A-Holmes had the best jab in the heavyweight class. That thing was like Thor's hammer. Fast and damn, it was hard.
B- Yes, robbed of going the distance. Not the fight. I thought I was very clear on that.
C- Mayweather may very well win. I just will be hoping otherwise.

Edit* flashback for me. I remember in Holmes 'comeback' he fought a cocky guy, Rocky Pepelli...Holmes was just kinda cruising along when, how, I do not remember, but Pepelli pissed Holmes off. Holmes deliberately cut him to ribbons in 3-4 rounds. He took that kid to school.

Fighters die from punches taken when they're knackered,Cotto wanted to quit after the 11th but his corner talked him out of it,the Ref knew this so stopped it as the first available moment.
I want my fighters to live not die.

I'm praying that Manny beats PBF but deep down i also think PBF will try to price himself out of the fight.

7 Weight world champion,an all time great however you decide to look at it.

That is almost unbelievable, ain't it? Hell, I thought 3 was impressive.

Holmes to me was a master....the only reason he was put in against Tyson was Rockys record.

could have hand picked anyone to break that record but no.....shame and im afraid sums boxing up in its worst light.

Hand picking opponents,shows boxing in its worst light Kwack,Tyson deserved that shot.

Holmes was, to me, the last old school heavyweight. Back when they actually defended the title 2 times or so a year. To me those were the measure of a champion. It isn't winning the title. But holding it against top contenders. Holmes did that.

And I have nothing against Foreman. I really don't. But I wanted him to stop ducking Holmes during their comebacks. Holmes had a legit complaint there. He'd have cut Foreman to ribbons. But I will say this, I think Holmes is a little over-sensitive at times when he feels he is not regarded as good as other heavyweights. I say this because people who know boxing, know he was as good as they come.

i agree boxers are far to brave for their own good.......hence you need a good corner and an even better ref.

Calzage v Lacey ????? disgrace on both ref & corner...and look at Lacey now,should never have fought again but has been....shame.


Dunno about pricing himself out Mayweather....i feel there is too much a stake and Mannny moved to 50/50 with Hatton to make the fight so cant see an obstacle,as long as belts are on the line

i never said he did not......the fact remains the politics stopped Holmes being 50 and 0.

as for hand picked,i refer back to what i said about "fight who was around",he did(not his fault there was a lot of shit about),Tyson did the same,and he avoided Lewis like the plague.

Oh. No No.....The whole Rocky 50-0 thing was the decision against Holmes when he fought Spinks. Not him going against Tyson.

When he fought Tyson he had already 'retired' after his bitter losses to Spinks. He came out of retirement to fight Tyson. But most likely did it for the money. He made as much on that one fight as he did maybe like 5 of his title defenses together. That was the time period when sports money skyrocketed in just about every sport.

yeh your right,dunno what i was thinking,maybe still upset he fought Tyson when he had no need to.

shame all the same, as a lot of those fellas must laugh at todays division.

incredible the amount of hatred there was between Frazier/Ali

And yet Ali was the only one to step up when Frazier needed help.

Wow, that's an insane record for a 23 year old, and a shame about his death.

As for Chavez Jr, he had no defence at all in the fight. The American part-time fighter was hitting him at will, although he didn't have any power behind the punches. Had a person who could punch been in the ring, he would have been out cold.

He won due to delivering the power punches.. I say power punches, they were all feeble, he didn't hurt the Yank once in the fight. Such a let down, what with the record the guy has.. talk about hand picked fights, disgrace imo.

Back to Pacman, I'd rate him amongst the best due to the weight divisions he's succeded in, moving up through the divisions at will, destorying everyone in his way. Pacman is a legend, can't wait for the Mayweather fight, should he take the fight on. I'm worried he'll take the option of Mosley to dodge Manny, though.

I know I'm just surmising but I'm cynical enough to think the promoters will push for Mayweather to fight anyone but Manny in his next fight just to help build up the Manny fight even more.

Upon reflection, Manny has no reason to fight Mayweather. He really should retire and go home and go into politics or something. He is already rich beyond all possible expectations and seriously doesn't need to fight for money. (And not that I'm dissing the Philippines but with his money he could live like a king there for centuries I'd imagine) And after the Cotto fight he cemented his name in annals of boxing. He really has nothing left he must prove.

sensation is the only way to describe pacman, surely he has to be considered in the top 15 of the all time greats. 7 weight champion, hasnt ducked anyone and goes for the best which is more you can say about mayweather

I am hoping those 2 get it on as I expect pacman to send mayweather to the hospital as well...

I disagree with people saying he has no reason to fight mayweather, I honestly think if he beats Mayweather then he will be considered at least in the top 5 of the all time greats, he will have his name mentioned with the great Ali. Pacquiao has truly done it all if he manages to get Mayweather to sign the contract which i doubt would happen as mayweather is scared of him

The duck clock begins for mayweather

Mayweather is scared of no-one.

Diss him all you like fellas,he is pure class and if you cant see that,well thats a shame.
the only reason people call him out is to further their career.

He needs no-one, as he IS the biggest draw in boxing and the promoters hate that.

Shit they would love to take the title off him and the only chance they had was when Oscar beat him but they hated him more at the time,and since then they have not had a chance as he has beat everyone.

Manny is made for Floyd,and as much as i would like Manny to put him on his arse i fear he would only get up win.

Remember Floyd is a master of defence and if Cotto had stuck to his strengths he would have got more joy last night.
Floyd is not as stupid to trade with him.

@ Tams...if Mosley is number one contender(is he?) what should he do?
Remember you said he should fight him to prove himself in the rankings.
Give up belts and be accused of ducking for money or fight Mosley

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6vCsW3M544...player_embedded

mayweathers promoter meeting arum (pacmans promoter) to make the super fight between mayweather and pacman!!! confirmed start of vid

He'd better be scared, coz Paccy's gonna do a job on him, just like he did on on Cotto last night, who was disappointing at best, I thought he did well for 2 and a half rounds, but after the 1st knockdown he spent most of the fight running away from Manny.

The fight should've been stopped at the end of the 10th, the sweet straight left that Manny caught him with was one of the cleanest punches I've seen.

I hope Mayweather was watching.

Mosley at #1 in the rankings is dubious also, as Cotto beat him to. Manny should be #1 in the rankings now by default.

That said - There is no contender. Mayweather has no belts for people to be a contender for him. The only guy he's fought since his return was Marquez and he was coming up two weight divisions for the fight. If he wants to prove he's the best P4P fighter in the world, he'll have to fight Pacman, who just so happens to have a belt at Welterweight.

Like mental_nomad has already said though - Pacman has nothing to prove and could retire right now.

Mayweather is a fantastic fighter - I don't think anyone here has said he wasn't, and for all I know he could beat Manny.. we won't know until he signs the contract. Pacquiao in this sort of form would be the biggest challenge of Mayweather's career.. he's in the form of his life.

Mayweather has already come out and said it would be an easy fight Reckons he is 1-dimensional.

I dunno about that but i do think he has the tools to beat Pacman.
People say Pacman is quick and hard to hit ,i disagree,Floyd is harder to hit and accurate as a cobra...he can come forward and cover up...the kid has it all

There's no doubting PBFs' skills,but do not doubt for 1 minute that he would/will do everything he can to not make this fight happen,he's done it too many times before for me to accept that he wouldn't do it again.

If it does happen then it's a 50/50 fight,only the punters will seperate them & as the saying goes 'A fool and his money are easily parted'


Just the thought of these 2 signing the contracts makes my balls tingle.

how about 40% - 40% and the winner takes the other 20%

I wasn't talking about the Split but that would make sense.

i know you meant the fight itself would be 50/50 but to actually make the fight happen.

Let him sign the contract to prove it.

I remember when Mayweather called the UFC an easy sport, and that the average boxer would beat a UFC fighter. One of the UFC promoters offered him a go at one of the top fighters in the UFC, needless to say, Mayweather rejected and apoligized for his comments.

I'm not saying Mayweather only has mouth... his record is outstanding with some great wins.. if he spouts stuff about the P4P king Manny, he needs to back himself up.

Ufc comments are publicity,if you cant see that well....

he has never been beat,has progressed from the same weight as Pacman and won 5 titles a different weights.

what has he to prove exactly and to whom?

i think he will fight Manny if Bob Arum does not demand too much of Mannys paycheck,hence me saying 40/40 and the other 20 to the winner.

Floyd would sign that i believe......would Bob?

Arum will be the stumbling block

ha mayweather even admitted he wants a higher share of the ppv in the past as he think he is the main attraction.

i wont say mayweather wont beat pacman as i honestly think it is 50-50

what i will say is, mosley, cotto, magarito and that other geezer who were dangerous welterweights, mayweather ducked them all and went for either light welters or in his last case a freaking light weight

he has tarnished his reputation and the only reason i support pacman so much is because unlike mayweather he is not a coward. a coward ducks all these threats, that is exactly what mayweather has done

dont expect the fight to happen for at least 4 month tho, pacman had a broken hand in the fight against cotto, he broke it in the 3rd round i think so he needs time to recover.