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captainultra



Michael Moore's Capitalism: A Love Story explores a taboo question: What is the price that America pays for its love of capitalism? Years ago, that love seemed so innocent. Today, however, the American dream is looking more like a nightmare as families pay the price with their jobs, their homes and their savings. Moore takes us into the homes of ordinary people whose lives have been turned upside down; and he goes looking for explanations in Washington, DC and elsewhere. What he finds are the all-too-familiar symptoms of a love affair gone astray: lies, abuse, betrayal...and 14,000 jobs being lost every day.


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007Nicole
can someone put up zshare links for this one finally i have been waiting for this thank you soooo much now just need all about steve.. emoticon-0109-kiss.gif
litha
Stopped a virus from loading on the divxden links. Could of been a popup ,
just be wary all.
crypto
Another well made film by(Edit:by popular demand)Michael Moore, but sadly his description of capitalism is wrong.

Capitalism is by definition a free market, a free market by definition is a market without government involvement. The corporation is a government institution, therefore an economy dominated by the corporation is a contradiction of capitalism. The government bailouts made democratic nations communist with corporate directors. Far worse then the socialist communism of the past, for the bailout money would have gone straight into making jobs and forcing people to work them; not free money for imaginary people called corporations. It is important to understand that corporations are legally titled "people", it is how they are getting away with what they do.

A proclamation and definition of an "individual" is required which will identify real people and separate them from the corporation thus giving them a legal standing above and beyond a corporation, forcing governments to place living citizens at the top of its priorities and agendas.

Legally declaring a corporation as a person is saying that we are equal to imaginary entities, which diminishes the living citizen and thus a violation of Article 22 of the UN Human Rights Act.
captainultra
the U.N. is the right hand of the US military machine.

Greed is greed no matter how you label it.
miaru
"...The government bailouts made democratic nations communist with corporate directors..."-Crypto

A wee bit dramatic (not that I myself am not fond of a little drama wink.gif ).
miaru
"...Legally declaring a corporation as a person is saying that we are equal to imaginary entities..."-Crypto

Religious people would beg to differ and then some.
maximius
Damn..that man sure has a way with words and pictures..
maximius
QUOTE(captainultra @ Oct 28 2009, 10:40 PM) *
the U.N. is the right hand of the US military machine.

Greed is greed no matter how you label it.

I beg to differ...the UN havent exactly been to fond of US military adventurism the latest years.(if ever)
spinzes
thanks for the posts , been waiting for this one , as is said round here , fucking capital man ! punn intended , good film , the whole finantial system is a scam , capitalism , socialism , big banks never lose-ism , what ever it is , "it ain't what it used to be" , its evolved , or manafested into something else , the banks make the profit we take the risk but don't have a say in any of it , theres the goverment , businesses and the population , only the guys at the top scratch each others backs , the rest of us get pissed on and then given a mop and told to clean it up , still it could be worse I could be living in Burma .

sorry for ranting
thanks again for the post
devilinhell
QUOTE(crypto @ Oct 28 2009, 09:39 PM) *
Another well made film by Roger Moore, but sadly his description of capitalism is wrong.



There is Michael Moore and Roger & Me. Roger Moore is an actor who played James Bond. The rest of crypto's post only gets more idiotic from there. bangin.gif
smarrie
QUOTE(devilinhell @ Oct 28 2009, 09:21 PM) *
There is Michael Moore and Roger & Me. Roger Moore is an actor who played James Bond. The rest of crypto's post only gets more idiotic from there. bangin.gif

Worth a rewrite vs wrong or idiotic, rather a very awkward train of thought [government doesn't serve the people, they service corporations instead?] with a thematic punchline plagiarized from 'The Corporation' (2003) - corporations have been granted 'person status' by US law and therefore are afforded the same rights as an individual.
http://ipb.quicksilverscreen.com/index.php?showtopic=46165

Each of Moore's successive docs continue to be reduced and simplified for clarity's sake [our opinions are so easily media modified we have all become frankenfools] and so...can we afford to pay the price that capitalism is costing us?
morpheusprime
QUOTE(crypto @ Oct 28 2009, 04:39 PM) *
Another well made film by Roger Moore, but sadly his description of capitalism is wrong. emoticon-0136-giggle.gif

Far worse then the socialist communism of the past blink.gif



mdjkmartinez
Cam copy decent quality.
maximius
"Made by Roger Moore",surely you mean Mike moore?

And isnt this guy somewhat of a hypocrite? I mean ,hes a multi-millionaire himself and making much more on this film..
Slofe
QUOTE(maximius @ Oct 29 2009, 04:07 PM) *
"Made by Roger Moore",surely you mean Mike moore?

And isnt this guy somewhat of a hypocrite? I mean ,hes a multi-millionaire himself and making much more on this film..


Why is he a hypocrite just because he's rich? He hasn't exploited anyone he's just made films that alot of people want to pay to watch. I think he has a right, just like and me, to question where his tax money goes and to hold people to account who have completely fucked the future of his children.

Do you consider Rage Against the machine to be hypocrites too?
spinzes
QUOTE(maximius @ Oct 29 2009, 03:07 PM) *
"Made by Roger Moore",surely you mean Mike moore?

And isnt this guy somewhat of a hypocrite? I mean ,hes a multi-millionaire himself and making much more on this film..


thats what sean hannity said , "why u knocking capitalism micheal ?, you did well from it !

capitalism means someyting different today than when it was concived , which I'm sure it was concived for the good of all ,

if it was true democratic capitalism the banks would have been let go under , but instead it was socialised bank welfare , they got a $700bn welfare check to help them get through a difficult time , they got a goverment subsidised scheme , to big to fall is like the police or schools , and banks , lol , it doesn't matter how badly your business preforms , the goverment will support you now thats beginning to sound like communism .
maximius
QUOTE(Slofe @ Oct 29 2009, 06:33 PM) *
Why is he a hypocrite just because he's rich? He hasn't exploited anyone he's just made films that alot of people want to pay to watch. I think he has a right, just like and me, to question where his tax money goes and to hold people to account who have completely fucked the future of his children.

Do you consider Rage Against the machine to be hypocrites too?

Your missing the point,he isnt some super clever wiz that makes clever documentaries,sure it looks that way..but he has like a 1000(well many at least) researchers working for him..and hes only there to film the "important scenes" and do he voiceovers..isnt he a part of the very system he is trying to bring down?.
Or have he mastered the art of reaching a massive (read:mainstream) audience?
I think both..he is not some independent documentary filmaker anymore,he have sold out long ago and is part of the very ,corporate structure he is appearantly trying to bring down..
QUOTE
He is much like penn and teller,only they tell you they are lying,moore do not.

Rage against the machine? what the hell is that?tongue.gif
maximius
QUOTE(maximius @ Oct 30 2009, 04:25 AM) *
Your missing the point,he isnt some super smart wiz that makes clever documentaries,sure it looks that way..but he has like a 1000(well many at least) researchers working for him..and hes only there to film the "important scenes" and do he voiceovers..isnt he a part of the very system he is trying to bring down?.
Or have he mastered the art of reaching a massive (read:mainstream) audience?
I think both..he is not some independent documentary filmaker anymore,he have sold out long ago and is part of the very ,corporate structure he is appearantly trying to bring down..

Rage against the machine? what the hell is that?tongue.gif

litha
QUOTE(maximius @ Oct 29 2009, 10:25 PM) *
Your missing the point,he isnt some super clever wiz that makes clever documentaries,sure it looks that way..but he has like a 1000(well many at least) researchers working for him..and hes only there to film the "important scenes" and do he voiceovers..isnt he a part of the very system he is trying to bring down?.
Or have he mastered the art of reaching a massive (read:mainstream) audience?
I think both..he is not some independent documentary filmaker anymore,he have sold out long ago and is part of the very ,corporate structure he is appearantly trying to bring down..

Rage against the machine? what the hell is that?tongue.gif


I cant really type because I sliced my finger so please excuse the typos.

He is reaching the masses on what is ideally wrong with America. And he has mastered the art of the main stream. Thank goodness for that. Our medical system is screwed ,our small business (under 50 employees) are screwed,and corporations are screwing over their people that actually work for a living, leaving the top execs with fat pay checks and paid for financial consultants plus stock options. (ask me about Jerry Sanders contract sometime)Ive been in high tech and owned my own IT business for the past 25 years, i know how hard it is to either pay or taxes or your employees,much less help them with insurance.My part for my employees insurance (when I had it) was $1000 per month per employee and more if they had a family is that right? This country has done so much damage to those cool little helpful companies that actually answer the phone to help you.


One other side note about or beautiful capitalistic way of doing things, a real life example: if you buy computers from Dell or HP for resale you do not get the same price break as the chains stores. I was purchasing 10 per month average and I was making about $30 profit per unit at best. If I could get the same prices as the major stores I would at least be able to make it worth my time. Its tiered bigger price drop for the bigger amount purchased. Its a fundamental flaw and small companies cant compete. This does not only apply to IT only ,its across all small businesses. So the big walmarts and best buys get the best deals. Sound fair to you? It shouldn't. You cant compete you just cant.

Ive seen Dell lay off 5000 people here at one batch they are ruthless. Ive seen them ship another 8000 jobs out of America to India. Ive worked for a government think tank to beat the Japanese in the semiconductor arena ,that is now international (HA what a joke, I had to spray paint Japanese microscopes labels black because none could be found manufactured in the US) and all the hoopla about US is number one is POOF GONE.

I did however work with a genius , a man that invented to semiconductor Robert Noyce , He told me once that he was just lucky to get where he got and in a few years there will be a very few that could achieve that status because its so hard to start/fund a business ,the middle class will die out, I called him on BS BUT he was right.

This documentary was right on the spot and I'm glad someone had the balls to say so. I would of gone much farther. So what if he gets paid good, I can think of alot more people that are making much more at the expense of others.

Time does open your eyes in a certain way...

(I will be happy to validate the companies mentioned above via PM)

Ouch my finger hurts and Im finished with my rant. smile.gif



ladyhawk


http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1232207/
Michael Moore's Capitalism: A Love Story explores a taboo question: What is the price that America pays for its love of capitalism? Years ago, that love seemed so innocent. Today, however, the American dream is looking more like a nightmare as families pay the price with their jobs, their homes and their savings. Moore takes us into the homes of ordinary people whose lives have been turned upside down; and he goes looking for explanations in Washington, DC and elsewhere. What he finds are the all-too-familiar symptoms of a love affair gone astray: lies, abuse, betrayal...and 14,000 jobs being lost every day.

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miaru
I was looking forward to seeing this as many people have and so far I've watched probably about a third of it in about five attempts. I think I've reached my limit, I'm overloaded, I can't stomach anymore of this corruption, murder for profit and the shit that politicians are. I honestly cannot watch this. I've jumped from place to place in the doc and after about five minutes I have to turn it off or I might get ill. All I can think about is how lovely it would be if by some heavenly miracle our politicians could just vanish emoticon-0121-angry.gif .

PS. But what good would it do to get rid of these specific puppets when there are hordes of new ones waiting in the wings. The future never looked bleaker.
Roamn
Capitalism already failed twice, for that there is no arguement.
Good film, nothing new though.
I was suprised at the lack of over-dramatisation that is often the hallmark of Moore's Films and I think (and hope) that that will help project the underlying lessons to be learned in a more "neutral" way. One thing's for certain - it's going to be harder for "them" to label this "propoganda" as they tried to do with some of his previous films (most notably 911).
swannsonng
Been waiting on this one as well. Thanks CaptainUltra for posting. Informative but uberdepressing. For the love of Mike, why does Timothy Geithner still have a job?
crypto
QUOTE(devilinhell @ Oct 29 2009, 05:21 AM) *
The rest of crypto's post only gets more idiotic from there. bangin.gif

blink.gif what other posts...?
crypto
QUOTE(maximius @ Oct 29 2009, 04:07 PM) *
And isnt this guy somewhat of a hypocrite? I mean ,hes a multi-millionaire himself and making much more on this film..


Taken from The Corporation(link to full documentary in my sig)
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You know, I've often thought that its very ironic that I'm able to do all this and yet what am I on, I'm on networks I'm distributed by studios that are owned by large corporate entities, now why would they put me out there when I am opposed to everything they stand for? And I spend my time on their dime, opposing what they believe in... ok? Well its because they don't believe in anything. They put me on there because there's millions of people that want to see my film or watch the tv show and so they are going to make money, and I've been able to get my stuff out there because I'm driving my truck through this incredible flaw in capitalism, the greed flaw, the thing that says "The rich man will sell you the rope to hang himself with if he thinks he can make a buck off it" well I'm the rope... I hope. I'm part of the rope.


Here is a clip from the doc, Michael is at time index 1:24
The Corporation clip
crypto
QUOTE(smarrie @ Oct 29 2009, 11:37 AM) *
rather a very awkward train of thought [government doesn't serve the people, they service corporations instead?] with a thematic punchline plagiarized from 'The Corporation' (2003)


Restating one of subjects of a documentary is now plagiarism? emoticon-0112-wondering.gif

The link to the documentary thread is in my sig. thus cited.
smarrie
QUOTE(crypto @ Nov 3 2009, 01:17 PM) *
Restating one of subjects of a documentary is now plagiarism? emoticon-0112-wondering.gif

The link to the documentary thread is in my sig. thus cited.

It wasn't a criticism, more of a stepping stone to your train of thought. Be nice now, I actually caught your drift. Also appreciate the rewrite, wall street is above the laws of free market capitalism...an insider's win/win fix vs main street's empty pocket loss.
chikkah
QUOTE(Commando2010 @ Nov 8 2009, 05:19 PM) *

Thanks!I've been dying to see this one.
ladyhawk
Reported for merge with post indocumentary section:

http://ipb.quicksilverscreen.com/index.php?showtopic=176081
Commando2010
QUOTE(ladyhawk @ Nov 8 2009, 12:08 PM) *
Reported for merge with post indocumentary section:

http://ipb.quicksilverscreen.com/index.php?showtopic=176081



This is a new release thats why I posted It in the New Release Section Ladyhawk.. Personally I've been waiting to see this movie sense it came out and have been looking in the New Release section constantly, and I'm sure others have also. This movie should really be in both categories!
Skavar

I can't believe that this is the only copy out there in the time since its release...
Slofe
QUOTE(Skavar @ Nov 15 2009, 06:27 PM) *
I can't believe that this is the only copy out there in the time since its release...


My thoughts exactly. It shows how little people actually care about what's going on. Seems they'd rather get caught up with 9/11 conspiracy fantasies or the latest mediocre blockbuster shit churned out by Hollywood.
Slofe
Oh come on, really? Is this all there is? This film's been out for about 6 weeks now and all there is is this one absolutely shitty cam copy!? I've been looking all over the place!
reklamfox
I'm so disappointed this is the best quality anyone could find emoticon-0124-worried.gif

If anyone finds any decent quality links please please post ASAP!
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