Superpower is a well-executed and comprehensive film that asks tough questions and goes behind the scenes of America’s national security apparatus and military actions. Far from a conspiracy film about the dangers of government secrets and regime change, this well-balanced film straddles the philosophical divide and allows viewers to understand the US quest for global dominance through economic and military strategy that is exposed through review of historical events, personal interviews, and analysis of US foreign policy.

part 1: http://www.zshare.net/video/63831736742b7081/
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http://www.megavideo.com/?v=GEBEEU4A
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http://www.movshare.net/video/irfdbfmsvwo08


part 2: http://www.zshare.net/video/63831812a2c16380/
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http://www.megavideo.com/?v=Z1Q280XP
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http://www.movshare.net/video/1sqiz3erf0x8h

-"The only thing new in the world is the history you don't know." Harry S. Truman-
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1311717/

Eisenhower's warning against war corporatism was antedated by 100 years: "As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed." Abraham Lincoln to Colonel William F. Elkins, 21 Nov. 1864

Currently, Latin American countries are up in non-military arms because of Colombia's 40 million dollar deal allowing the U.S. to share its military bases.
http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Colombia_U..._bases_999.html

"U.S. cited as negative force in the world [CBC poll Feb. 2008]: While Canadians see the United States as important, when asked what countries stand out as being a negative force in the world, 52 per cent of respondents named the U.S. The next most common answers were Iran (22 per cent), Iraq (19 per cent) and China (13 per cent)."
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/02/01/...bc.html?ref=rss

Same left wing bullshyte as always...its getting OLD...let us do our job...
IF you dont know shit about the military..then just shut up..this is demoralizing
If the politicians/civilians F*ck us over like in nam,its gonna be the greatest dissapointment of my young life..and a direct insult to my fallen brethren and sisters..

"Well executed and comprehensive?" bullshit!..biased liberal anti military propaganda...in a documentary(a proper one) you are supposed to at least attempt to get the views from both sides...this was only treehugger after treehugger bitching and moaning about semantics and things they are not qualified to even open their mouths about by a long shot!
Geez some quality control..this is not a documentary this is pure propaganda that only serves to promote one view..

Well in real life democratic principles should outshine the will of a military industrial branch spending more than any other on propaganda. (being america that says a lot)
Quality control lol, politicians/civilians fucking over the military ??? Seems you've been subject to some military brain tests...
Tell us what is wrong with the documentary (with examples) cause up till now you're not making a lot of sense if any. What is a "good" documentary showing both (???) sides on this matter?

Your job is to kill people, you believe that your reasons (or the reasons you get told - because im totally sure that no military personal/private military contracter(s) handing down orders has ever told a lie or misslead purposfully to reap personal reasons and/or reasons that are not as i/we/you are lead to believe...(excuse sarcasm) mmhmmmm are justified.
By that thinking you have said that it is OK to kill people, not only have you said that but you have also said that it is OK to kill people for personal reasons like gain or fear.

You do understand that your thinking makes it perfectly OK for me to kill your entire family (WHICH I WOULD NEVER DO!!!) and you have to just accept it is OK because I like you have the right to expect people to allow me to have my reasons and so accept my right to kill people for my own reasons, as you and so many other people seem to think is ok.

IF IT IS OK FOR YOU TO KILL.. IT IS OK FOR EVERYONE TO KILL YOU OR ANYONE ELSE! because since when did your reasons for killing people (greed, profit, safety, fear, defense, aggression, fun, whatever) become OK but everyones elses are not OK?

Why are you so special? simply because you have the ability to kill people does not make it OK to fucking kill people for ANY reason....

CAN YOU NOT SEE THAT IF WE SAY IT IS OK TO KILL FOR 1 REASON... WE HAVE TO SAY IT IS OK TO KILL FOR ANY REASON..... AS WHO ARE WE TO DECIDE WHAT IS IMPORTANT FOR EVERYONE ELSE.... YEAH SURE YOU THINK "YOUR" REASON IS OK... BUT SO DOES EVERYONE ELSE...

FUCKING STOP KILLING EACH OTHER YOU FUCKING WANKERS!!!!!

now to the point, sorry for rant, but i dont like people as arrogant as the last guy (he says telling people that they are so wrong in their actions that it warrants outbursts like that... sorry for contradiction myself, but hey )



The so called "super powers" ( i say powers as i think there are countrys that do just as bad or worse than UK/USA) weild MASSIVE force in comparason to the people they attack.
You dont see US invading china (haha other way round soon though (i hope not but i think so)) because they would either have a very hard fight... or get fucked hard...

same for china invading any other "super power" its not gonna happen (yet) there is no need, just invade/take over the whole of a smaller country or it resources (feels like risk is being played sometimes) and they often rely on each other for trade.

Im not saying this is wrong... im simply highlighting a few facts of the matter.

1: super powers attack tiny(in comparison) armys with dated technology and pound them into submission/extinction.
2: when they attack it is usually after a long or short attampt to take over/reishtablish (sorry spelling) in more covert ways (media/hype - bribe - economic power ect ect)
3: They always attack.. cough.. sorry my mistake... defend with aggressive force and that aggression is usually vastly more than is 1: needed or 2: likey as a response or 1st strike againt the "super power"
4: it is always portraid as being in the intrests of defense (which has been changed in more recent times to national security by all sorts of tyrantitical powers... cough.. sorry genuinely threatened powers who cant sleep at night because of the fear that the country they just sold there 20 year old tech to, might try and use it against them, even though they can wipe them of the face of the earth in an hour or so, or over night if they wanted to not go nuke style)
5: YOU BELIEVE THAT ANY GROUP/COUNTRY/FORCE HAS THE FUCKING BOTTLE TO TAKE ON SOMTHING LIKE THE US OR CHINA IN A TOE TO TOE FIGHT???????

6 and final (unless others can think of more): you take this totally absurd idea that you are in ANY FUCKING WAY THREATENED BY A COUNTRY WITH AN ARMY AND RESOURCES THAT ARE LAUGHABLE IN COMPARASON TO YOURS (1 person with some sort of will to explode a bomb is i think always present and can not be irradicated in this current stage of human development - no matter how many bombs you guys drop!) AND USE IT AS JUSTIFICATION FOR KILLING THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT CIVILIANS IN THAT COUNTRY AS IF YOU 'KNOW' WHAT EACH INDIVUAL YOU FUCKING MASSACERED IS THINKING OR BELIEVING - YOU CUNTS!!!!

To put it simply..liberals are the one that scream the loudest about stuff that they dont understand..
When theres an outcry,caused by misunderstandings ,partly because of films like this(Dont say this was a well researched unbiased view of the Military,and you learned something you havent heard a million times before,cause you know thats not true)..the politicians get their panties up in a bunch and that in turn undermines our mission...Example..there is an unit in the USAF called the Pararescuers,the "PJ's" or pedros,they are so to speak the only ones that dear to fly regardless of the situation or weather..saving countless lives needless to say,their parent program's renewal just got denied,so they dont recieve new helicopters..and they aint gonna establish any similar units..leaving us with the "red cross" marked unarmed medevac choppers..(they cant be heavily armed because of the red cross)..partly because of lack of public support of the military and common misconceptions,like that" we kill civillians every day and are all baby killers and war criminals"...doesnt really help..

You come dragging with brainwashing...a common thing for protestors to spew out.
If you never have been on the ground in any of these areas,in any of NATO's forces deployed to ISAF..or US/coalition forces in OIF..I wont expect you to ever understand,but dont try to sit all high and mighty behind your keyboard,basking in your self rigtheousness..remeber this..you sleep soundy in your bed at night cause brave men and women are ready to do violence on your behalf...

Those are not facts ,those are opinions...same as everything I wrote is an opinion,In my opinion a better informed opinion,but thats a matter of opinoin..
This "documentary" was only a parade of opinions with little to back it up as facts..
Why would we fight China? ,they arent a threat,they are just as dependant on us in the west echonomy wise,as we are on them...
Taking orders from a PMC? do you even know what they do?
Big difference from a regular Military contra PMC's...if your under any impression that we in any shape or form take orders from them..that only serves to illustrate how out of touch with reality you truly are..

Ok that was not an answer to anything (except your own pre/misconceptions maybe) and I still don't get what is wrong with the documentary. Screw one unit, it's the overall idea within the US military that is fucked up but I guess you're too close on the ball to be objective.

on my behalf?

i dont presume to know everything that has ever happened in a war like setting, what i do know is that humans as a worldwide species, lie.
we lie about all sorts of things.
we have great beauty and strenth and all sorts or amazing "good" things in us.
we have the opposite of that too.

are you really saying that because i try to highlight that fact, and that, that fact leads us to see the horrible things around the world, things "like" what this docu/film/whatever, that it means i am bias and an unwitting preacher of mindcontrol/hive-mind thinking?... really?

there are what seems like an infinite amount of potential and actual good done in this world, there are good and bad people everywhere, in my house, in yours, on TV. in government, military... everything, in all countrys, everywhere on the planet!!

i was highlighting the horrible side of violence/aggression (we have the ability to choose how we react and how we conduct ourselfs.. we dont have to kill) we kill out of choice, "WE" as a species can choose NOT to kill each other for profit or fear.

this docu/film highlighted some interesting points...
(as im not the only person in the world, i can still imagine other people finding this interesting even if i have known it all for like.. you know.. ages.. cos im like.. you know.. the best and all that, who is always right and hides away behind screen - or i can imagine when i didnt know of such things and the shock/amazment/comfort i felt when i found out that the feeling i have sometimes, that often, (not always) i/we are misslead by the percentage of people that are "bad" "selfish" ect ect in all governments/militarys/ ect ect)
and i think your attacking this docu/film in the way you did and advocating that the military forces around the world are nothing but peackeepers (which is basically what your saysing in a round-a-bout way, i think)

if you are saying that the military are 100% good (good is a concept that i define by the definition of all partys involved - ie: 2 people, 1 is going to kill the other, the other, who has not done anything to the attacker, does not want to be killed... the attacker kills the defenseless person, i call that bad, and so not being killed would be the opposite of that) then you are not worth talking to. (unless of course we go down the "well the killer wants to kill, so if he cant kill, then thats bad for the killer" road, cos thats just insane i think).

I am not saying they are 100% BAD.

i, like this docu/film, am trying to highlight the times when they have been "bad" and warn people that the "powers that be" are not all saints!!! and we need to be aware of that and try to prevent corruption in our countrys. whilst having praise for honest good deeds.

you think that is brainwashing.. i think you have been brainwashed into believing everying you are told by the sources that have brainwashed you.

i have been labeled an "agnostic" by some people. i would not label myself anything except a form of existance. but i do fit alot of the frame work of agnsotics, so i dont get offended by the label.

so i dont believe anything to be 100% true, never mind any attempts to brainwash me into thinking that the magical "they" are either 100% good or 100% bad or any variation of... as all i know is all i experience and that is there is good and bad in everyone and we MUST START TRYING TO WORK IN A DIFFERENT WAY THAN KILLING EACH OTHER FOR STUPID FUCKING REASONS!

so go again with why im attampting to brainwash people into thinking there is a worldwide conspiracy like the "illuminati" or or that every government/military is 100% bad... because im not.

i am just an open minded person who is trying to be as critical as i can so as to be as sure as i can of any given situation

imagine this ...

there is a magical world where there is a fairly decent mix of what is thought of as good and bad people. and both good and bad people have the same potential for learning and creativity.
in this magical world (which is of course not here because we are all good right? like peace love and unity maaaaan... right? ...no?... all bad? ..no ..hmmmmm) there is a system of power, call it military or economic or political or any system that allows few to decide for many.
in this magical world with the system(s) that allow for the few (on occasion, be it a lot or a little) to decide for the many, who do you think gets to the top of said system??

good people? bad people?

well the good and bad both have the same potential for learning, understanding and creativity.

it seems to me that it is obvious that people in positions of power all over the world throughout history have (on occasion) lied to their public about things, to hide things they knew the public would not like.

so it seems reasonable to assume that there ~"might"~ be people in the "system" that would lie or cheat or otherwise use unfair tactics, when thinking about a fair fight between good people and bad people.

so...

if the good people dont cheat/lie/kill/bribe ect ect for personal gain, but the bad people do..

who do you think gets to the top?

im sure there not all bad... but fuck, the system we have almost demands that the bad provail as the good get fucked over and wont use same tactics in return.... i dunno, but it seems like that to me.

so go go with the "yey war!!" and "none of you understand what your taling about, you dont have the right to comment" and ill sit here being an self-rightous, iggnorant fool with little or no understanding of anything outside my own box, while thinkking I am the only 1 who understands... or is that you and you cant see it?

night.

There is no such thing as pure good or pure evil,to believe anything else is just naive..
Every barrel have a few rotten apples,some barrels are almost full of rotten apples..
Most of my deployment,we did in fact assist building fresh water sources.and schools..
The engagements we had ,resulting in enemy KIA I am 100% positive that they were attempting to kill us or other ISAF personell,and thus we acted acording the the standing ROE..only criminals were in fact and by law them..cause they are not allowed to enter our AO with weapons,let alone fire at us..

PS.I realized there were a part 2 here,and that this were in fact a conspiracy theory documentary,that is a bit too far fetched for me..I normally dont comment on those..

You got the right to disagree with me,I got the right to punch your lights out if I dont like it;)

if you read what i wrote, i say that the concept of good i am using is defined as a perspective - therefore pointing out there is no pure good or bad that we can prove beyond a rational doubt, only human perspective. you kill me, thats bad for me, i kill you, thats bad for you. we both live our lives in the way we "want" thats prob good for us.

good and bad as a human definition, not a universal definition, and in that respect, the human 1, i feel i am allowed to say what i consider to be good, in the human concept of good and bad, like and dislike, want and dont want ect ect.

so dont use statements like "there is no pure good or bad" when 1: you dont know everything in the universe, and so cant know if there is a pure good or bad. and 2: i said that i was using a human perspective definition of good and bad so as to describe the situation i was wanting to describe.
and that was simply that you cant attack people for highlighting a percentage of a reality that is true if you want to have an honest debate or conversation, as when you attack someone for pointing out a blinding obvious truth....SOMETIMES..... people lie.. sometimes they are in positions of power... sometimes we find out (somethimes not, im sure)

i know nothing about your life, i have no reason to doubt what you have said and i have no reason to believe what you said about your experiences.

you dont understand, agree with me or disagree with me, hit me or not.. kill me or love me.... it doesnt change the truth.

i do not claim to know all truth, but i do claim to know that humans lie, and so do our world power structure leaders, so be carefull what you believe to be true without questioning. DONT BE SCARED, just be honest and observant.

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P.S. America's debt dependency of $772+ Billion in IOU's (03/09) could be incentive enough. There is a (shelved) defense planning guide (under President George H. Bush with Dick Cheney as Defense Secretary) known as the 'full spectrum dominance' militarist agenda, that targeted China as the needed new 'profitability' enemy after the end of the cold war and Russia's implosion.

i didnt say the US would fight china, i said they dont because 1: they are also a power to be reckoned with and 2: both partys are dependant on each other for trade.
by the way.. point 2 only exists because point 1 exists... because if the US could invade china, win and put more co-operative people in positions of power... they would.

i didnt say any actual military take orders from private military contracters... i simply pointed out that they(the private contracters), like regular military has a power structure... they get their contract.. they then deliver their orders to their workers. i just allow for the possibility for the high ranking people in the private military (who get contracts/take orders from their employers) have the same potential to lie, mislead their workers for personal gain. IT DOES HAPPEN, PERHAPS NOT ON EVERY OCCASION... BUT 1 IS TOO MANY, SO WE MUST TRY TO CHALLENGE IT WHEN WE SEE IT

IS THAT NOT OUR DUTY AS HUMANS IN A SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT?? TO QUESTION AND MAKE SURE THERE IS NO CORRUPTION??

so both points you made....
(which by the way were lame attamts to avoid the point i was making (unless you dont understand that people lie sometimes and so that means it poss that YOU or I or the military personal around the world, private or regular, have been lied to, on occasion... which i can believe you dont understand even the basic principle of the point i was trying to make))
.... are totally irrelevant to the topic, as i didnt make them points, and in case of the "WHY WOULD WE FIGHT CHINA" question you asked me, i didnt just not say that.. but i actually said they WONT attack (yet) because they depend on each other.

christ, i gotta stop getting into debates with people who dont read what the other person says, its rather time consuming and pointless on the whole i think.

though i did have a rather bad day, soes that make it OK? to vent anger on a chat room forum about points that i am passionate about, but not to the point where i debate/argue/rant at, iggnorant people with no room for growth?

i dont know if its OK to vent on forums, but i feel its a fairly harmless way of venting my frustration/anger, considering some of the ways some poeple vent theirs.

peace all

uhm, no. you don't. and as far as you doing ANYTHING on my behalf, please stop. the military cannot solve cultural problems. the military cannot defeat the tactic of terrorism (ie, targeting innocent civilians to make a political statement) because that is impossible. all you can do is kill people, which makes the problem worse.

it's clearly a different perspective than yours, but that's why I didn't give up my freedom and liberty to go around the world involving myself in the affairs of others. we (the US) weren't attacked because were so great and they (the terrorists) aren't cool with it. our foreign policy has been intentionally involving itself in the affairs of others, not treating them as equal/rational actors, and attempting to subvert every political situation for our favor for the entire 20th century.

it's time to stop. it's time to treat people as equals and they will fix the problem for us. nobody wants tyranny, we should stop propping it up.

Great document. Thanks.

I agree....btw that last line there was a joke..but u have too understand that some people,especially someone serving in the armed forces of any NATO country,will find this documentary grossly offensive..

Its a great idea..threat people like equals,I agree that works great on paper..but the real world does not work that way son...that an utopic view of the world..the taliban does not threat us as equals,they just want to kill as many of us as possible,+ women and children just for going to school and having an education...is that right?
Shoud we still threat them as equals when our so called "equals" tries to kill us, and murder civillians in the harshest sense of the word?
Get a grip kid!

That may very well be true..but that was in the spirit of that documentary...putting a ridiculous spin on it..cause and effect etc..

Just to answer this quick..I dont mean Liberals..like Dem's I mean the one that are far out there almost at conspiracy theorist level..I dont like war..but we cant all lie down in flower beds and sing gay songs..hoping for world peace to arrive can we?.some of us has to get our hands dirty..and btw..on my deployments in ISAF..we helped build schools ..protected women that wanted to enroll in said school..cause the Taliban could sit outside in a building or on top..with a Draganov,just waiting for the girls/womenm to come in and then snnipe em' off...cause in sharia law...there is no such thing as a right to education for females..basically women have no rights..

I believe in our mission in Afghanistan..Iraq..im not so sure abt anymore,but then again ive never been deployed there,I can only talk abt the things I have first hand knowledge of..and thats RC-N in A-stan...
I fight for the Afghan people ,NATO ,the
US ,international security..and it hurts me to see the lack of support home in the west..
If you dont have first hand knowledge of something...use references at least..please..
Regards..

PS.You forgot something ,WE were attacked,that means every country in NATO were attacked..so we took action and invaded Afghanistan...Iraq is another story..

if you invaded my country I'd want to kill you too, my brother's a marine so no need to lecture me about the value of standing up for something, I think you are LOGICALLY wrong. the US has NEVER treated anyone as an equal (at least the last 60 years) so there's really nothing to base your assertion on. It would be a novel concept, a new path. They hate us because we are over there (and have been for decades) STEALING their livelihood and KILLING their people, try reading a history book.

Also don't use ad hominems, it doesn't increase the conversation it just reduces it, you ignorant twat.

I haven't watched the documentary yet but I'll chime in here. My main complaint is the military is supposed to be about defense of the country. But in the modern age it's about making countries more subservient to the western powers and multi-national corporations. I'd say that falls well below the threshold for acceptable uses of the military.

No solider deserved to be spit on or derided after Vietnam that kinda of behavior was unacceptable but that doesn't change the fact that it was a proxy war with no real objectives besides demonstrating American power to the soviets. It wasn't an issues of defense. I can understand criticism of the effort being demoralizing but that's the right we have as citizens of democratic societies a right ensured by or constitutions and bill of rights most defintley protected by the military personel when it's threatend but that hasn't happened in over 50 years.

There comes a point when all people including those in the military have to say enough is enough, this isn't in our best interests and never has been. Or do you think the US invading Latin American countries on behalf of Dole is a good thing? Invading a country, putting peoples lives on the line to make business more profitable for an fruit producer? Or invading Iraq to please multi-national businesses interests and a flawed neo-conservative ideal of the world? To me, to use the military for such reprehensible things betrays the soldiers, the people, and the country.

Uhm your BROTHER is a Marine YES..you think that makes you something special?
Think again,your opinion is just as much worth as any other civvie on this board...if not less for making that retarded comment..
One should think that your Leatherneck brother had beat some sense into your whiskey tango ass by now...oh wait..hes probably a REMF/POG...
I know I would beat the shit out of my brothers if they try to front some retard conspiracy theory in my presense..
If he is a 0320 Marine (or 03series) im guessing you and your brother dont get along very well..but hes probably posted on Okinawa or some shit..or Qua'tar..

"my brother's a marine so no need to lecture me about the value of standing up for something"..then why the FUCK havent you enlisted?
You fucking hypocrite..I bet if you enlist you choose some fobbit MOS anyway...fucking wannabe though guy leaching Marine Corps cred off your brother!..thats low..I mean you are so low on the military food chain that you barely compare to the green stuff in the fish tank that the bottom feeders eat..

"Also don't use ad hominems, it doesn't increase the conversation it just reduces it, you ignorant twat" eh this sentence only furthers my view of you as a pretentious "know-it-all" type ,that live in a comfy bubble, as long as it doesnt burst,you sit there far from danger,and judge people that go into harms way,to make the world a better place for you to live in..and not as much as a friendly go fuck yourself..

All I am saying is that NOONE of you have the faintest idea(how could you) on how a direct fire fight in the field in Afghanistan is like,or how it feels to Casevac one of your closest friends,and then return to the FOB ,only to get turned back by the MP's at the mess hall(POGues/REMF's) cause your patrol cap is dusty or you have blood on your BDU/ACU's..so you dont get to eat that day,and then its back out to walk maybe 12 hours straight,stay awake for days(get some sleep now and then,but not much to talk abt)
Yes all Im saying that you will never ever know how this is like,family in a POG or not...that doesnt give you any more cred than the average mailman...

Oh and FYI on the use of Ad hominems...dont try to tell me what I can and cant do,you havent earned the right.
You only said that cause you knew what you said was an open invitation to be flamed...

Your argument ,at least makes sense..but you confuse Iraq with Afghanistan...their NOT the same wars,,
OIF(Iraq) was a good thought ,but ended up bad,and will end up in catastrophy for the Iraqis, sadly..
OEF/ISAF(afghanistan) is a whole 'nother ballgame..it was started as a direct result of 9/11 2001 when it died more human beings than it did in the Pearl Harbour attack in '41....we are rebuilding a country..shaping a future..for a war torn country that havent seen peace for 30 years..no matter how much you argue...these things are universal truths about this conflict..we are a multinational force(ISAF) with backing from the UN..everything is on the up and up..
If you advocate an end to the western involvment in ISAF/OEF ,you might as well travel down there and line all the women and children against the wall and pull the trigger yourself..cause you are in effect against human rights for all people other than men..

This is generally speaking,and not intended to be a personal attack on you,I am just frustrated from all the ignorance we have to endure from civillians with opinions,that think that they know so much better than us,when all they ever did these years is sit on their fat rear ends smoking blunts..and complaining about things that doesnt concern them..
You call for the military to take action..well we only want support for our mission,that would greatly lift our morale,we dont excpect you to understand...just support us and what we choose to do..I am pretty sure I talk for the majority of servicemen..at least in the infantry..when I say this..
All we want is your support,and you to stop trying to undermine our mission by biased left wing propaganda like this piece of film that this thread is about..
I appriciate your concern btw..but we do not feel betrayed by anyone else but the public..and the public are like sheep sometimes..cause many people are dumb as breads,so they swallow easily digestible "propaganda" and fashion themselves self proclaimed "experts" based on research done on the internet and shows served to them on TV that only focuses on the bad sides of what we do..cause they have an agenda..to get x and x elected etc etc etc

I know the spelling isnt perfect,but this aint the oxford final written exams...

Your so young. I'm sorry you feel that way but your just a cog my friend. You will be disappointed trust me. Time and knowledge will clear your mind hopefully. If not you will be blindly following all your life. Then again I guess you have to follow blindly to march forward into the fray. I am so sorry you feel the way you do. This war(s) is another NAM , sorry to say. You should really open your mind on the aspects of WAR. Watch "The fog of WAR" Its a wonderful insight by a man who constructed and conducted the Vietnam war. McNamara



Can I quote you:
"Example..there is an unit in the USAF called the Pararescuers,the "PJ's" or pedros,they are so to speak the only ones that dear to fly regardless of the situation or weather..saving countless lives needless to say,their parent program's renewal just got denied,so they dont recieve new helicopters..and they aint gonna establish any similar units..leaving us with the "red cross" marked unarmed medevac choppers.."

Why do you think that is? Think about it. There isn't a need to save people? Its sad.

I grew up on one of the biggest military bases here in the US and I know the mentally of the average armed forces personal. You are trained to think the way you think its not your fault, its a mob mentality. You also have the inexperience to be young, again not your fault ,You don't realize what the effect is of our troops in another country,invading that country. Again not your fault. Its your leaders fault..

I have a friend that just got back form Iraq, he and his unit had been hit by IED's. His arm is gone , his face is mangled and he loves his morphine. It makes him forget. He has told me some mind numbing horrible things and I feel so deeply for his pain. Ask yourself Why are we there (Afghanistan and Iraq) Really look into it. WHY? is it because 9/11? naa I don't think so. You should be here protecting OUR soil HELPING OUR people (Katrina). I'm sure you enlisted to help America out But are you really helping over there. Nope. Your a cog, I'm sorry to say that hun but you are.

Fellow Army brat:)
I think you get it pretty much..to be honest there is a certain degree of adventurism too behind my personal reasons to do what I do..but I do believe in this particular mission,as do many of my brothers and sisters in arms..
One of the reasons that I found this film so offensive,was the fact that it was so extremely biased,and presented some obvious lies as undisbutible facts.
Lets just bury this thread,nothing productive is gonna come out of this bickering anyway..

Obvious lies? I've saw an extreme bias in the opinions presented, but the majority of the facts presented were indeed truthful. We have been meddling in Latin American countries for decades, overthrowing democratically elected leaders who instituted reforms that would of been bad for business interests here in the states and to combat 'communism'. Those are historical facts, they're not pretty but history usually isn't. And to your post before I don't believe I ever said anything specifically about Afghanistan. I was talking in a broader sense, the majority of military actions in the last half century. Afghanistan has a clearly defined and stated purpose that was sanctioned by the UN and congress. I would complain about some of the tactics and over-all strategy being carried out but overall I support the mission there.

I don't think my opinion is worth more than anyone else at all, I'm trying to respond to you rationally by informing you that not everyone, even the people around you, thinks the way you do. If anything you seem to think that you shooting at poor people and them shooting back makes your opinion more valuable. It doesn't. We are all equal. I'm forced to support you by paying my taxes but I'd stop if I could do so without going to jail.

You attack people for not having the same uninformed, ignorant, propagandized, absolutist world view that you do. I don't know what it's like to be in the line of fire, mainly cause I wasn't born into a place as unfortunate as that and I have the decency to avoid the desire to oppress people all around the world. I realize you are incapable of reason while you're in that situation so there's really no point in talking to you, you have you're beliefs and I'm sure you ignore all evidence to the contrary to make sure they're reinforced. The point in avoiding name calling is to be able to have a discussion based on fact and ideas, something I'm sure you don't want to know anything about. That's why you get so mad, you don't know how else to respond to facts other than reject them entirely and say it's all crazy conspiracy shit. Well it's all documented and true, no conspiracy at all, that's a different sub-forum anyway. It's just easy to trick people into supporting military endeavors by playing on their fear and twist their patriotism into blind nationalism.

They don't even let you get all the facts in the military, they censor what you can and can't look at online (just like in China). What are you fighting for? It's sure as hell not to make the world safer, you may believe that because you have to to get through the day, and I don't begrudge you that, but you can't expect anyone to put up with your ignorant bullshit when you come back here. If you were to try it, you'd suffer the consequences pretty fast and you'll end up in jail because you aren't able to even talk about it, all you can do is just get mad and show your anger physically. I pity you. I'm sorry you're being lied to. It's not right and I hope it will change.

You should be careful tho, you're seeming to espouse a philosophy that's essentially proto-fascist. That's not what were about here. I mean you can join the klan and hate on some black people or whatever outdated group of similar minded authoritarians you can find to go shoot you some guns out in the woods, but everyone else would rather just get along. Shooting people doesn't get rid of enemies, it makes more. You can't shoot them all and if you do, well we call that a war crime. This is the last fucking war, you're gonna need to find a new job and quit sucking off the government like a socialist.

Fortunately I know a lot of servicemen and women that are far more reasonable and civil than you. I hope you can find peace but I know you won't.

Don't waste your time on this unless you have a mental disorder called liberalism............Like it or not,in reality nations are formed and maintained through theft,blood, and war....So, the U.S.A. has been a global bully at times,used false flag operations, bombed innocent people............it is unfortunate,nevertheless you don't maintain power by throwing pick nicks with cupcakes and smiles for all.................One thing is for sure,the world is lucky that the U.S.A. has been in power,because there is a long list of dictators,and tyrants that would have long ago used nukes if they were the "superpower".............................It is only because brave soldiers have and are bearing arms in the name of The United States of America that dumbass liberal retards can sit around drinking Starbucks and twittering about how swell Obama and all his radical commy thug czars are so wonderful.................Obama is a disgrace,weak,a chronic liar, and sits around with his thumbs up his ass when a U.S. general requests troops,....Obama after all this time,hesitates and says "needs a stable government in Afghanistan first".....wtf?...........then turns around today before the election is even done, and changes his mind again.!!!!!!!! .........He belongs in prison,like all his idiot friends.....When is last time a Democrat liberal ,made any kind of comment on supporting our troops,or even voicing a hint of concern...................................???????????? Never...!

Obama,Pelosi,Reid,and all the other assholes in the white house want your guns,your freedom of speech cut off,and you living in oppression............

You would fit in wonderfully at Fox News.

I respect maximius but you sir are delusional.

/signed dumbass liberal (if you want labels) with a PHD

Hahahahahaha, your trying to be like Colbert right? So over the top you can't actually be serious?

Thank you very very much

delusional?,..hardly,anyone who isn't blind can see Obama is pushing government on everything and everyone!.......TELL ME IF YOU CAN, what part of what I said is delusional?...........I base opinions on facts,an unbiased view of what has happened......................why don't you try studying reality,instead of swallowing everything Obama spoon feeds you?...........he is appointing czars that are radical,anti-American "self proclaimed communists and socialists........................................know who Cass Sunstein is?? he is anti gun,anti freedom of speech....and now speaks out on getting rid of marriage.....................,EVEN a lib like you gets a grain of truth from MSNBC days after the story breaks on Van Jones...............................................how about Obama AND Jeff jONES,? Head of Apollo Alliance? yOU SEE THE MAIN STREAM mORON MEDIA WONT TELL YOU.,.ol Jeff was a domestic terrorist and fugitive from the law for 11 years....he helped in forming the stimulus plan,and receives plenty of tax paying dollars.......................................typical lib spews drivel,and never any relevant facts...................how bout Ron Blum...agreeing with Mao...a murderous tyrant who killed 60 plus million of his people.......quoting"..political power comes from the barrel of a gun"....how blind are you????????????

MUCH MUCH MORE.............BUT DELUSIONAL COMMY LOVERS CAN'T DEAL WITH TRUTH.

Got to be satire.

Am I right guys?

http://ipb.quicksilverscreen.com/index.php?showtopic=175440

Has to be...

pretty much has to be,but then again theres many strange individuals out there and they tend to come out on the internet.

o'right!!!

You are a bit confused. Let me remind you why you went to Iraq and Afganistan.


OIF(Iraq) They have nukes!!! omg.... defend our liberty!.....after invasion...oh wait, they don't have nukes?... nvm... let's find some exuse... hmm, oh here's one: the regime sux!!
OEF/ISAF(afghanistan) WAR ON TERROR.... lol....The wars formerly known as “Terror” were NOT in response to any documented national security threat from Iraq, Afghanistan, or Iran. In fact, all 16 US intelligence agencies have repeated that THERE IS NO NATIONAL SECURITY THREAT from any of the nations the US has illegally invaded or threatened to invade.


Get your facts straight.