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Amar


this is being reported all over saudi tv stations, he has bought a stake in liverpool and agreed to build 2 academies in saudi arabia, we should hear it later or tomorrow in england if it is true. he apparantly said he will be at the liverpool game. was also at the game today

hope this is true
Amar
definitely was at the game today, think this is true lads
hitmewitdarock
does it really matter?
british money... american money... saudi money...
it all spends the same...
Double Oh Seven
QUOTE(hitmewitdarock @ Sep 27 2009, 09:15 AM) *
does it really matter?
british money... american money... saudi money...
it all spends the same...


Amar is probably for the situation, not agaisnt it emoticon-0102-bigsmile.gif

Personally, I hope it's untrue or at least, he's a poor prince smile.gif Can't find any mention of this guy's wealth anywhere, so he is probably "relatively poor"

Liverpool fans currently seemed to have switched from abu's (anyone but United) to aba's (anyone but Americans)
Amar
MATE I am happy about this lol, think you took my thread the wrong way

he JUST SAID THIS

A Saudi prince has revealed that he is set to make a significant investment in an English club.

Reports suggest that the side in question is Premier League giants Liverpool, who are currently experiencing financial difficulties under the ownership of Tom Hicks and George Gillett.

It is believed that the American duo are prepared to sell a 50 per cent stake to Prince Faisal bin Fahd bin Abdullah in order to help balance the books at Anfield.

"We are currently seeking to buy 50 per cent of the shares in the club which is now suffering with debts worth £245million," Fahd bin Abdullah, who chairs private firm F6 and a Saudi-based holding firm called Fama Group, was quoted as saying in Al-Riyadh.

"The transaction, upon which a decision is close to be reached, will be worth 200 to 350million pounds."

A spokesman for Fama has declined to comment on the matter, but it appears that the Premier League could be set to welcome further money from the Middle East.

Manchester City were acquired by the Abu Dhabi United Group last summer and have benefitted considerably from that deal.

________________________________________

liverpool are in 245m debt!!!
Skamp
Half time entertainment should be interesting if this deal goes through,i expect we'll just get Hangings as the FA would never allow players to play on a field with freshly squirted blood on it.

Amar read that what you posted again and then you'll (or should) understand why i give paper talk a wide berth.

IMO there is no way on earth that those 2 twats would hand over a majority control to a third party mainly because neither one of them trusts or likes the other one.

007 there is no such thing as a poor Saudi Prince.
Amar
understand but tbh this isnt really paper talk, the news isnt really paper talk. it has been released all over the news stations with quotes.

i know they wont hand over majority shares but i do think he will get about 25 percent of liverpool. he relased a statement on his website he is buying part of an english club, negotiations are on the final level. pretty sure that club is liverpool
Amar
skamp what do you think of the idea gillette is selling up

thing which has interested me is that hicks has been doing all the talking recently, i got a feeling gillette wants out. we just gotta wait and see, pretty sure the saudi guy has agreed to buy part of liverpool.

remember kuwati also agreed but pulled out in the end, fingers crossed really.

i am just hoping the prine gets one hand on liverpool, he can then work on pressuring hicks to sell the remaining shares later on if he wants total control
Skamp
QUOTE(Amar @ Sep 27 2009, 02:48 PM) *
skamp what do you think of the idea gillette is selling up

thing which has interested me is that hicks has been doing all the talking recently, i got a feeling gillette wants out. we just gotta wait and see, pretty sure the saudi guy has agreed to buy part of liverpool.

remember kuwati also agreed but pulled out in the end, fingers crossed really.

i am just hoping the prine gets one hand on liverpool, he can then work on pressuring hicks to sell the remaining shares later on if he wants total control


Both of them two bastards want to push the other bastard out & at this time it's GG who has the finances and who is currently making the moves because Hicks is up to his neck in the shit even before you take into account his LFC debt.

Abdullah didn't say he has agreed to buy into Liverpool he stated that he had signed a deal to bring academies to the M.E and N.Africa & that F6 MAY buy between 25 & 50% of the club,that to me says GG has offered him 25% of his shares & we all know that Hicks has been trying to sell half of his shares for the past 18 months,i just cannot see them both selling 25% to the same person (due to the mistrust and hatred between them) & the thought of having 4 equal owners just doesn't bare thinking about.

If that happends then we are well and truely fucked,it scares the shit out of me but i think it will all fall apart like all the previous deals once F6 talk to Hicks and he puts forward his pathetic demands & they realise that you just cannot work with the 2 bastards.
Skamp
This is supposedly a translation of what he had to say.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjP1Fvrii8I

QUOTE
Host: we have heard there is an upcoming sports project, can you provide us with some details [regarding the project]?

Prince: sure, tomorrow Im signing an agreement with the owner of Liverpool an "investment and strategical" deal regarding the middles-east and north africa. At the same time, F6 might buy between 25-50% of Liverpool football club. but the collaboration (regarding football matters in the middle east) and the [football] academies [in the middle east] will come a bit later.

H: So can we expect Saudi football to improve from this collaboration?

P: "Yes, with God's willing. Not only Saudi football, but Football in the entire Middle East will gain [from this deal] as well." the prince adds, "we have signed already [the deal to collaborate in the middle east] but tomorrow I'm going to spend the entire day with the owner to attend the ceremony [of signing the deal] and I will also attend Liverpool's game with Hull"

H: I'm sorry your highness but I didn't hear you properly, you said between 45%-50%, what was that for?

P: "No", the prince says before stressing "Between 25% and 50% of Liverpool fc...Ownership deal...With God's willing"

H: We wish your highness all the best.

P: Thank you
Amar
yeah kinda understand where you are coming from

have you seen the brochure liverpool sent out to financial intermediates ?

tbh i think they are just trying to sell about 25 percent but it wouldnt surprise me if one of them wants out totally. which ever way it goes, the 2 yanks will rip them off
Skamp
QUOTE(Amar @ Sep 27 2009, 03:19 PM) *
yeah kinda understand where you are coming from

have you seen the brochure liverpool sent out to financial intermediates ?

tbh i think they are just trying to sell about 25 percent but it wouldnt surprise me if one of them wants out totally. which ever way it goes, the 2 yanks will rip them off



GH & TH are not working together Amar they both want to push the other one out & who in their right mind would buy into LFC without getting atleast 24.5% (49% total) from both of the bastards & considering how paranoid the 2 yanks are about each other i cannot see either of them agreeing on that investor,Hicks will never agree to sell to a guy GG found and visa versa.
Double Oh Seven
QUOTE(Skamp @ Sep 27 2009, 02:23 PM) *
007 there is no such thing as a poor Saudi Prince.


Tis why I said "relatively poor". Put it this way, he's not listed on forbe's billionaires.
Skamp
QUOTE(Double Oh Seven @ Sep 27 2009, 04:23 PM) *
Tis why I said "relatively poor". Put it this way, he's not listed on forbe's billionaires.



Only takes a death or 2 and he could be right up there mate,that said i doubt anything will come of this.
kwacka
as Skamp has said,all the guy is buying is 50% of 50% which is 25%.

so in effect all hicks is doing is lining his own pockets(clearing his own debts),not investing in Liverpool

thats the way i see it.........mind you who knows
Skamp
QUOTE(kwacka @ Sep 27 2009, 05:28 PM) *
as Skamp has said,all the guy is buying is 50% of 50% which is 25%.

so in effect all hicks is doing is lining his own pockets(clearing his own debts),not investing in Liverpool

thats the way i see it.........mind you who knows



It's nothing to do with Hicks Kwack,what he's (the Saudi) said is that they (F6) may buy 25% (half of GG's) or 50% half of each of the fuckers 50% but with neither of them Yanks standing one another nothing will come of it.

As for Hicks he's going down the shitter faster than a madras induced morning movement,the guy lives in fantasy world and no money men are touching him,ffs the guy cannot even afford to pay the $10m interest he owed on Hicks holdings (he always excuses it as restructuring like) and he's been laughed out of every major financial institution from here to mars,Hicks has his own people in the ME trying to find an investor but it looks like old George has beat him to the punch.

It was Hicks who fucked up both DIC and the Kuwaite deals as he thinks that even after making a sizable return that he should be entitled to a percentage of any future profits the club may or may not make.

The guy is a fucking tool.
kwacka
i read it the 1st time smile.gif

sounds a bit of a joker.
Amar
pictures of the saudi people taken meeting rafa and hicks....

damn site wont let me post them

says dynamic pictures are not allowed
Skamp
QUOTE(Amar @ Sep 27 2009, 09:01 PM) *
pictures of the saudi people taken meeting rafa and hicks....

damn site wont let me post them

says dynamic pictures are not allowed



It's not Hicks ffs.


Looks and sounds to me like the guy just loves the publicity and saying you may buy the club is aan easy way to gain millions of pounds of publicity for your academies for free,if GG wasn't such an old n frail fucker i'd love to wipe that smug fucking grin of his chin
Amar
ahh i see what you are doing

you are trying to make this seem bad as possible and not see it as a investment but when it happens you will throw a huge party...

we just gotta wait and see mate, i really do hope he invests because that means the 2 owners losing some of their power over liverpool. hopefully it will decrease over time to a big fat 0
Skamp
QUOTE(Amar @ Sep 27 2009, 09:30 PM) *
ahh i see what you are doing

you are trying to make this seem bad as possible and not see it as a investment but when it happens you will throw a huge party...

we just gotta wait and see mate, i really do hope he invests because that means the 2 owners losing some of their power over liverpool. hopefully it will decrease over time to a big fat 0


Even if he does buy 25% of George & 25% of Hicks it's still not an investment in the club all it will do is put money into there pockets,and say that does happen do you really think that he will then pump money into a club that he doesn't own 100% because those 2 do not have the money (even after the sale) to put back into the club.

No matter how you look at it it just doesn't work to the clubs benefit.
kwacka
surely if he owns 50%(25 from each) he has controlling interest and can force them to do his will.

ultimately it will be decided on the ins and outs of buying the shares.

but as Skamp says, why buy 50% to line 2 wank*rs pockets(get them out of the shit) and still let them have a say?
Skamp
QUOTE(kwacka @ Sep 28 2009, 07:14 PM) *
surely if he owns 50%(25 from each) he has controlling interest and can force them to do his will.


And that's the reason why they can never agree on part sales,neither one of them trusts the other as they both know how sneeky the other fucker is so when GG previously found a buyer Hicks rejected it because he'd be selling to Gillets man & visa versa around and around we go,a new 50% owner would really have a 75% say because one of the snakes would saddle up.

If i wasn't so brainwashed i swear i'd fuck it all off.
Amar
QUOTE
Saudi Arabian sports investor F6 confirmed today that it’s discussing buying part or all of English Premier League soccer team Liverpool.

Chairman Prince Faisal bin Fahad bin Abdullah al-Saud watched the Reds’ 6-1 victory over Hull as a guest of co-owner George Gillett two days ago.

“Everything right now is on the table in terms of discussion,” Barry Didato, director of strategic investment at F6, said in an interview. “If the relationship didn’t make sense financially we couldn’t do it.”

Didato wouldn’t say whether F6 had met with Liverpool’s joint-owner Tom Hicks. Jonathon Brill, a spokesman for Gillett and Hicks, declined to comment.

Didato said F6 had also signed a memorandum of understanding with Gillett about a possible investment in Nascar’s Richard Petty Motorsports, moving one of the sport’s races to the Gulf and also setting up soccer academies in the Middle East and North Africa “at a level the world has never seen.”

The Al Riyadh newspaper reported that F6 was poised to pay between 200 million pounds ($319 million) and 350 million pounds for 50 percent of Liverpool.

“Those are some of the numbers that have been initially floated around,” Didato said.

Liverpool is England’s most successful team, with 18 league titles and five European Cups. Gillett and Hicks are looking to raise funds to restart work on a new 72,000-seat stadium and reduce debt of 240 million pounds with Royal Bank of Scotland Plc and Wachovia Corp. That work stalled after credit dried up during the global economic crisis.

‘Complexities’

“There’s some complexities to this,” Didato added. The investors are looking at the team’s debt, the current squad and the club’s facilities, he said. Didato said Prince Faisal also needed to be convinced about the “chemistry” of a possible partnership with two owners who have had disputes in the past.

“It’s very important for his highness to have a good partnership,” the F6 official said. “You don’t want to get into a case of where you’re entering the scene of family counseling: We don’t want to be there.”

The owners have also been subjected to fan protests because of the delays in building the stadium and backtracking on a pledge not to burden the club with debt used to fund their February 2007 acquisition.

“There’s some skeletons in the closet,” Didato said. “I don’t think it’s a whole graveyard in the closet.”

“Within three to four months we’d be able to know” a time scale over when a decision could be made on a possible investment, Didato said.


well we know he does want 50 percent of liverpool

i think it was hicks who screwed up the dubai deal by not letting gillette sell his stake.

but skamp i do think this one has a great chance, seriously the money being floated about is insane. 300m for 50 percent is way over priced and it wouldnt surprise me if hicks would jump in and try to sell his shares for that much first
Skamp
QUOTE(Amar @ Sep 28 2009, 08:19 PM) *
well we know he does want 50 percent of liverpool

i think it was hicks who screwed up the dubai deal by not letting gillette sell his stake.

but skamp i do think this one has a great chance, seriously the money being floated about is insane. 300m for 50 percent is way over priced and it wouldnt surprise me if hicks would jump in and try to sell his shares for that much first


Yes it is insane because the papers like to take a quote and put there own spin on it turning it into total bollocks,just yesterday Hicks came out and said he doesn't know where the 50% comes from because he's only interested in selling 25% for £100m and that to me sounds like he wants them to both sell 12.5% each.

So from that we can assume (rightly imo) that the figures the papers are quoting are acutally £200m/$320m for 50% not £350m,why would anybody pay £350m for half a club that needs another 4 or 500m spending on a stadium (they wouldn't) i still think it's all one big ploy to get some free PR for the deal that they actually signed because none of it rings true.
kwacka
so Amar you think the saudis think you are worth 700mill????

are you insane.....?

listen to Skamp for once in your life

This bit is really important

"why would anybody pay £350m for half a club that needs another 4 or 500m spending on a stadium (they wouldn't)"
Trampant
I dont think anyone can be as bad as the 2 twats we have now
Amar
kwacka dont be a wum we are exchanging our views on it, dont ruin the thread by turning it to a slagging much

skamp yeah i see what you are saying, from what we gather he is building the academies, maybe he is about about 200-350m being his total investments (inc building the academies) so maybe 100m for the 3 academies and 100m for the 25 percent?

i think we just gotta wait, atm it is all a bit conflicting what is coming out. i got a feeling we got another dubia saga coming with one owner wanting to sell it all while the other doesnt want to sell it all

the money being floated is insane but as proven in the past some owners are insane when they have so much money to burn.
Amar
QUOTE(kwacka @ Sep 28 2009, 08:44 PM) *
so Amar you think the saudis think you are worth 700mill????

are you insane.....?

listen to Skamp for once in your life

This bit is really important

"why would anybody pay £350m for half a club that needs another 4 or 500m spending on a stadium (they wouldn't)"


btw people i was about about 350m for 50 percent * 3 academias... kwacka dont put words in my mouth. personally i thought he wanted 50 percent for 200-250m while the rest goes on the 3 academies. guess w ejust gotta wait, everything is unclear
Double Oh Seven
QUOTE(Amar @ Sep 28 2009, 09:16 PM) *
btw people i was about about 350m for 50 percent * 3 academias... kwacka dont put words in my mouth. personally i thought he wanted 50 percent for 200-250m while the rest goes on the 3 academies. guess w ejust gotta wait, everything is unclear


Why would he pay 250 mil (or whatever) for 50% of the club, then give the other 2 guys an extra 100 mil to be able to build accademies in wherever? Surely if he owns 50%, he don't have to pay them bugger all else, since he's majority shareholder.
Amar
the academias are separate i believe

i am just wondering where all the money fits in

hicks and gillete confirmed they are seeking outside investment today
Double Oh Seven
QUOTE(Amar @ Sep 29 2009, 07:14 PM) *
the academias are separate i believe

i am just wondering where all the money fits in

hicks and gillete confirmed they are seeking outside investment today


So he has to pay 100 mil for rights to use the name of a football club that he'd own 50% of? unsure.gif If that's true and he does it, he's dumb!
kwacka
QUOTE(Amar @ Sep 28 2009, 09:14 PM) *
kwacka dont be a wum we are exchanging our views on it, dont ruin the thread by turning it to a slagging much


excuse me!.. you are the one acting like an excited schoolkid.

i merely asked you to listen to reason and common sense.

carry on
Amar
kwacka cant you see we are exchanging views and discussing it? we are all listening and trying to make sense of this all

all you are trying to do is create arguments. tbh i aint got time to get involved in childish arguments against, so if you dont have anything useful to add then kindly move on to another thread

seven i think he himself is going to build the 3 academies, i think he may be including that money as in what he is going to invest

so however much it costs to build them 3 and then money to buy shares which does indeed look like 25 percent like skamp said, al tho things do look strange in how many shares he wants

kwacka
QUOTE(Amar @ Sep 29 2009, 10:07 PM) *
kwacka cant you see we are exchanging views and discussing it? we are all listening and trying to make sense of this all

all you are trying to do is create arguments. tbh i aint got time to get involved in childish arguments against, so if you dont have anything useful to add then kindly move on to another thread


i believe i have contributed and asked questions...ultimately siding with Skamps point of view,an
there in lies the problem.

Skamp dont believe it will happen, due to laurel&hardy.
and you seem to think its a done deal. fair enough

we will see who is right in the long run
Double Oh Seven
QUOTE(Amar @ Sep 29 2009, 10:07 PM) *
seven i think he himself is going to build the 3 academies, i think he may be including that money as in what he is going to invest

so however much it costs to build them 3 and then money to buy shares which does indeed look like 25 percent like skamp said, al tho things do look strange in how many shares he wants


WOW! Academies are expensive to build lol. If he wants 50% @ 250 mil, that's 33 mil per academy (expensive). If he wants 25% @250 mil, he's being ripped off. If wanting 25% @150 mil, then that means the academies would be costing 65 mil each lol. Something's not right, papers must be wrong.
kwacka
over to you Amar.

even your own dont agree with you yet i am a WUM......
Skamp
QUOTE(Amar @ Sep 28 2009, 09:16 PM) *
btw people i was about about 350m for 50 percent * 3 academias... kwacka dont put words in my mouth. personally i thought he wanted 50 percent for 200-250m while the rest goes on the 3 academies. guess w ejust gotta wait, everything is unclear



But ther prince was very clear when he stated that the Academy deal and a future purchase of shares were two seperate entities and in no way linked, Very clear & now it turns out that the Prince has not even got the money to buy the shares and his plan is to raise it from Banks and/or investors,now those investors could be his farther,brothers,uncles or cousins (a whole lot of billions) but imo it's just looking more & more like the PR stunt that i first claimed it was.

You only brought the academies up when you realised that the price was not the same as Hicks is on record as quoting,very disingenuous on your part Amar.
Amar
yeah i thought he was trying to invest with his company and keep his academy deal separate. they have said tho they are interested in a stake of liverpool but will not take on the debt of hicks and gillette

the positive thing is the 2 clowns are looking for investors, hopefully they will find someone. the only way i see them 2 releasing their control over liverpool is for the third owner to take it over from the inside if you know what i mean

Skamp
QUOTE(Amar @ Oct 1 2009, 05:54 PM) *
yeah i thought he was trying to invest with his company and keep his academy deal separate. they have said tho they are interested in a stake of liverpool but will not take on the debt of hicks and gillette

the positive thing is the 2 clowns are looking for investors, hopefully they will find someone. the only way i see them 2 releasing their control over liverpool is for the third owner to take it over from the inside if you know what i mean


They have been looking for investors/more bank money for the past 2 years mate,nothing has changed.
Amar
yeah but skamp now they are at the stage of desperation, spending money to produces brochures to attract owners lol

that tells me they are pretty damn desperate now, they are in a weaker position than they were last season or before
Skamp
QUOTE(Amar @ Oct 1 2009, 07:41 PM) *
yeah but skamp now they are at the stage of desperation, spending money to produces brochures to attract owners lol

that tells me they are pretty damn desperate now, they are in a weaker position than they were last season or before


That's not true though mate,this time last year Hicks was having to shut down his glory Park plans forefitting hundreds of millions of tax payers money,this year has just been more of the same for Hicks whilst Gillet sold his hockey team so is in a better posistion than this time last year.

That prospectus is almost 12 months old it's the same one they were hawking around the world previously (the time i said they got laughed out of everwhere)

http://dallassouthblog.com/2008/05/14/arli...prise-surprise/

Amar
indeed gillette did sell

i believe hicks is also looking for an investor in his dallas (just needs an approval by the board)

still think of it this way mate, if an investor was interested in liverpool he would need to convince the 2 clowns to sell part shares and those 2 clowns would be in the driving seat
but with them admitting they are seeking investors which they havent done in the past it takes away some power from them

i just dont get how those 2 can keep up with these false promises, surely they know they dont have the dosh for it yet they announced all these things

lets just hope something comes along soon
Skamp
But they have been looking for investors for the past 2 years ffs,the latest press release was just for our benefit it has not changed anything for them or any future investor one iota,as for Hicks and his Sports group he is the fecking board and again he's been trying to get investors/sale for them as long and in the case of his rounders team for longer than he has us but that's gone the same way with Hicks putting a price on the teams that has come from Bizzaro world.

For false promises just read that link i gave you and then read this Brazilian fans hit out at Liverpool owner
Amar
yeah i know mate, i understand that but their position is still weaker now due to financial turmoil in their personal assets and since they have publicly admitted seeking investment which they didnt do before shows they are actually in desperate need imo

lets just hope they sell out soon
Skamp
QUOTE(Amar @ Oct 2 2009, 07:23 PM) *
yeah i know mate, i understand that but their position is still weaker now due to financial turmoil in their personal assets and since they have publicly admitted seeking investment which they didnt do before shows they are actually in desperate need imo

lets just hope they sell out soon


You obviously don't understand though.

Just because you keep saying the same thing doesn't make it so Amar,the fact that they (Hicks more than GG) have managed to ride out the financial downturn without going bankrupt puts them in a better posistion than they have been for more than 2 years.
A 2 year period where they were both BEGGING for investment world wide,the fact that they have had to make a statement doesn't effect any future negotiations due to the fact that the type of people who could invest/buy have known for 2 years that they needed money & only a fool would think that they could get the club cheeper now that the markets have started to free up,that statement was for the little people,you & I if you like.

I am getting bored of trying to explain it to you Amar so i'll leave you be with your fingers in your ears.
Amar
not get the club cheaper

think of it this way

you know a person may want to sell share, you have to come in and make the offer, the ball is in their court

or

the person admits he needs to raise investment, you also know he is trying to sell his other franchises and is in HUGE debt which took a while to get refinanced. you get some of the power back if you look at it from a buyers perspective

they havent got over the financial storm, all they did was delay it

the fact they are selling their other franchises PROVES THIS...
Skamp
FFS are you being deliberately obtuse ?

All the points you keep on making are NOT NEW,what is new is the fact that the Financial downturn bottomed out and the money men are now freeing up the markets,that does effect both Hicks & Gillett but not in the way you keep on claiming.

To be honest i just don't think you know enough about either Hicks n GG orthe Financial markets & this proves it.

QUOTE
they havent got over the financial storm, all they did was delay it

the fact they are selling their other franchises PROVES THIS


This is my last post on the subject because trying to debate with a person who ignores what you say and continues to post the same post over and over again is fucking annoying.
Amar
i dont know enough about the financial markets

you are not getting my points

on course for a 2:1 hopefully First in finance at uni mate...

i just think you dont get the point i am making, you are repeating the same thing as well...

pot...kettle....
Amar
QUOTE
what is new is the fact that the Financial downturn bottomed out and the money men are now freeing up the markets


dont read everything the bbc tell you mate, trust me you have no idea what is going on if you actually think this. again i am not having a dig but do a bit more research on the subject.....

unless you live in Africa which i doubt, the financial markets will get worse before it gets better. lets see if you actually do understand the financial market, you should know why I made the africa comment...

you are just confused on the subject, like you were on those cricket threads mate happy.gif
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