Amar
Sep 3 2009, 02:17 PM
QUOTE
Fifa have banned Chelsea from registering any new players in the next two transfer windows.
The world's governing body have handed down the punishment after French clubs Lens made an official complaint over Chelsea's signing of their young player Gael Kakuta in 2007.
Fifa's Dispute Resolution Chamber (DRC) has now found in Lens' favour and ruled that Chelsea are 'jointly and severally liable'.
As such Chelsea have been banned from signing players over the next two transfer windows, which will mean they will not be able to bring a player into the club until 2011.
As well as the ban Chelsea have been fined £680,000 and will have to pay Lens £113,000 in compensation.
Kakuta, a regular in Chelsea's reserve side, has also been banned from playing for the next four months.
Statement
The full statement from Fifa reads: "On the occasion of its last meeting held on 27 August 2009, the Dispute Resolution Chamber (DRC) was called to pass a decision in a contractual dispute opposing the French club Lens to the French player Gael Kakuta and the English club Chelsea.
"The French club had lodged a claim with Fifa seeking compensation for breach of contract from the player and requesting also sporting sanctions to be imposed on the player and the English club for breach of contract and inducement to breach of contract respectively.
"The DRC found that the player had indeed breached a contract signed with the French club. Equally, the DRC deemed it to be established that the English club induced the player to such a breach.
"As a result the player was condemned to pay compensation in the amount of €780,000, for which the club, Chelsea, are jointly and severally liable, and sporting sanctions were imposed on both the player and Chelsea in accordance with art. 17 par. 3 and 4 of the Regulations on the Status and Transfer of Players.
"A restriction of four months on his eligibility to play in official matches has been imposed on Kakuta. Chelsea are banned from registering any new players, either nationally or internationally, for the two next entire and consecutive registration periods following the notification of the present decision. Furthermore, the club, Chelsea, have to pay Lens training compensation in the amount of €130,000."
WOw huge blow for chelsea, not being able to bring in fresh faces is a massive blow
also carvalho, lampard, ballack, deco, drogba, balleti, ashley cole and a couple of other players are 30+ years of age
hitmewitdarock
Sep 3 2009, 02:26 PM
wow...
atleast they have a good team at the moment...
hopefully injuries wont plague them...
tombeast
Sep 3 2009, 03:20 PM
QUOTE(hitmewitdarock @ Sep 3 2009, 02:14 PM)

wow...
atleast they have a good team at the moment...
hopefully injuries wont plague them...
With the African Nations also coming this Season it's gonna hit them hard. They'll lose Drogba, Kalou, Essien, Mikel.
Uncle B
Sep 3 2009, 03:22 PM
The punishment seems to be extremely harsh considering it's a player not many will have heard of, I should think an there'll be an appeal soon.
Amar
Sep 3 2009, 04:02 PM
not really, the rules are clear and chelsea have been warned in the past for this sort of thing
From two years ago:
Lens have refuted the speculation that Premiership champions Chelsea were closing in on a summer swoop for 15-year-old French attacking midfielder Gael Kakuta.
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"It is all rumours," Lens administrative director Francis Collado told the club's official website. "Gael Kakuta is under contract with us for two more years.
"If a club is attracted they have to contact us. These rumours are entirely unfounded."
Collado also warned the Blues not to get on the wrong side of FIFA rules.
He added: "If he is contacted when he is under contract and signs for another club, the risk is a six-month suspension for the player and a year ban for signing players by the club.
"These are the rules of Fifa and there is no reason for them not to apply to Chelsea."
Skamp
Sep 3 2009, 05:30 PM
They will win an appeal and be forced to pay a bigger fine IMO.
If that doesn't happen then this will cripple them next season,the only man who'll be laughing his cock of inside Chelsea will Anelka because Chelsea told him that he won't be getting a new contract this season and he is/was pissed about it but now they'll be begging him to sign a new contract and good old Nick the mercenary will bleed them dry.....
Amar
Sep 3 2009, 06:17 PM
Skamp i really doubt they will win the appeal, I will explain why shortly but if they do then it is unfair on roma
Roma were banned for the same length of time for doing the same thing to mexes
here is the article for proof, roma failed in their appeal which is why i doubt chelsea will succeed unless they prove they are not guilty of it
http://www.uefa.com/competitions/uefacup/n...sid=313525.htmlthe one thing chelsea can doo is delay the ban by keep on appealing
http://www.uefa.com/competitions/uefacup/n...sid=324602.html
phil-east
Sep 3 2009, 06:38 PM
i thought roma got their ban shortened after an appeal, not sure though. Chelsea have already been in trouble for the cashley cole affair and stealing two young lads from leeds. I think it's about time something was done about it.
Skamp
Sep 3 2009, 06:40 PM
QUOTE(Amar @ Sep 3 2009, 06:05 PM)

Skamp i really doubt they will win the appeal, I will explain why shortly but if they do then it is unfair on roma
Roma were banned for the same length of time for doing the same thing to mexes
here is the article for proof, roma failed in their appeal which is why i doubt chelsea will succeed unless they prove they are not guilty of it
http://www.uefa.com/competitions/uefacup/n...sid=313525.htmlthe one thing chelsea can doo is delay the ban by keep on appealing
http://www.uefa.com/competitions/uefacup/n...sid=324602.htmlYes Romas ban was
SUSPENDED & Mexes ban reduced to 6 weeks by CAS,that's the precedent.
Amar
Sep 3 2009, 07:27 PM
that just temp tho until the 2nd appeal is heard
the first appeal they lost, then they had the 2nd appeal, the ban was suspended until the appeal is heard
same with that swis side, they were banned for 2 transfer windows, they appealed it 1 month ago and their ban is suspended until their appeal is heard
the decision made in the end of the appeal is the precedent set by that case
Amar
Sep 3 2009, 07:45 PM
just found all the info
roma ban was REDUCED to one window as one window was already done by roma before the order was made to cut it
but i think this case is different, in the mexes case both clubs were negotiating while in this case chelsea just helped him breach his contract
jackyshaw8
Sep 4 2009, 05:36 PM
if chelsea get the ban reduced then i don't think it will effect them that much. their fixtures over the period when the african cup of nations is on aren't the toughest
trifke
Sep 5 2009, 08:41 PM
...it would appear that United might be getting the same sort of treatment if proven guilty...
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Le Havre president Jean-Pierre Louvel has contacted Fifa about Manchester United's signing of Paul Pogba.
Chelsea were hit with an 18-month transfer embargo earlier this week following their illegal purchase of Gael Kakuka from Lens in 2007.
Le Havre were quick to praise Fifa for taking such a stance and threatened to report United for the way they approached teenage star Pogba.
World football's governing body announced on Friday they had yet to receive an official complaint from Le Havre but Louvel claims he has now submitted the case.
The French official hopes Fifa will come down just as hard on United as they did with the Blues.
"The player had a no-hire agreement, and so had to sign his first contract in France," Louvel told radio station France Info.
"But he didn't sign it because Manchester United contacted the parents and made astronomical and excessive financial propositions for a 15-year-old boy.
"We have submitted the case to Fifa. The letter to leave has not been agreed by the French Federation, so today Fifa has been referred.
"I hope we will get the same result (as the Gaël Kakuta case), which could justify to those clubs they can't do anything and they have rules to respect."
Fifa have yet to confirm receipt of the complaint, while United insisted on Friday they would challenge any case brought against them.
kwacka
Sep 6 2009, 11:35 AM
QUOTE(trifke @ Sep 5 2009, 08:29 PM)

...it would appear that United might be getting the same sort of treatment if proven guilty...
but the kid never signed a contract,so never broke one. unlike the Chelsea situation.
Amar
Sep 6 2009, 02:17 PM
he had a no hire agreement with the club for any clubs outside of france....
kwacka
Sep 6 2009, 04:29 PM
but if he had no contract with any club what exactly has he broken?
kwacka
Sep 6 2009, 04:45 PM
How the hell can a pre-contract be legally binding if the player can't legally sign a contract yet? I can't see how it could possibly hold up, and in fact if taken all the way surely it would be the club who has tried to skirt the laws by signing a minor to a contract who would be punished.
Chelsea actually induced a player to break a contract....hence the ban
Amar
Sep 6 2009, 05:12 PM
they have to prove they had a mutual no hire agreement i believe
chelsea got a youngster who agreed a pre contract with his club.
the full facts are still not out, we will find out what agreements were broken was fifa has heard the case
kwacka
Sep 6 2009, 05:59 PM
QUOTE(Amar @ Sep 6 2009, 05:00 PM)

they have to prove they had a mutual no hire agreement i believe
chelsea got a youngster who agreed a pre contract with his club.
the full facts are still not out, we will find out what agreements were broken was fifa has heard the case
The Chelsea lad had signed a contract after he was 16.
The United lad "alledgedly" had signed a "pre-hire contract" when he was under 16 though not being legally able to sign a "contract", hence it not being legally binding.
The french are walking a tightrope themselves here under child labour laws i think.
Amar
Sep 6 2009, 07:00 PM
mate he didnt sign a pro contract with his club
i think you got everything juggled up like i did earlier
kakuta signed a pre contract agreement with his club before he was 16, which confirmed he MUST sign a pro contract at 18. his parents are responsible for him before he is 16 so they signed it. he broke that pre contract agreement and went to chelsea when he was 16.
i believe the united situation is like this. the club agreed a no hire agreement with his parents so he had to sign a pro contract in france when he turned pro but him and his parents broke that deal by signing for united.
i am not sure if he had a pre contract agreement, he may of. if he has united will get the same punishment, even if he doesnt united may get the same punishment due to the no higher agreement
kwacka
Sep 6 2009, 07:07 PM
If the french have made him sign a contract before he was 16,they have broke the laws of their own country.Plus it will not be legally binding or up holdable in court,so they can go jump.
the Chelsea lad had signed a contract after he was 16 i thought so it is enforcable,hence the ban.
Amar
Sep 6 2009, 07:33 PM
pre contracts signed by parents are legally binding in football, has been the case for ages....
he basically broke that pre contract so chelsea got banned.
i think united may do the same. it will hold up, roma got their ban reduced to 1 window because they were negotiating with the club and gave a fee...
we just gotta wait till full details on the united case come out, like i said i am not sure if he had a pre contract agreement, it doesnt look like he did but he did have a no hire agreement signed by his parents
phil-east
Sep 6 2009, 07:57 PM
i'm not certain about this in any way shape or form but i heard united have offered work to the lads parents. This means the family have moved to england because of the parents working for united and this makes playing for a french team pretty hard. I think they did it with macheda too, it's a pretty sneaky/clever way of going about things if true.
Amar
Sep 7 2009, 04:18 PM
really poor stuff, united threaten to sue the club if they report them to fifa
Why threaten to sue an itty bitty club if you are innocent?? And also what do they stand to gain if they reported Man Utd and they knew it wasnt true??? Pointless raising the issue if there was no credence to it....
seems to me united are worried about fifa getting hold of the complaint and are trying to make sure it doesnt get that far
looks like they have something to hide...
tombeast
Sep 7 2009, 04:41 PM
QUOTE(Amar @ Sep 7 2009, 04:06 PM)

really poor stuff, united threaten to sue the club if they report them to fifa
Why threaten to sue an itty bitty club if you are innocent?? And also what do they stand to gain if they reported Man Utd and they knew it wasnt true??? Pointless raising the issue if there was no credence to it....
seems to me united are worried about fifa getting hold of the complaint and are trying to make sure it doesnt get that far
looks like they have something to hide...
I thought they already had reported it to fifa?
Amar
Sep 7 2009, 04:47 PM
fifa have yet to confirm it. why would united threaten them if they were innocent? surely they would wait until they got their not guilty verdict
this just makes it look united have something to hide?
i pray with the amount of youngsters liverpool have tapped up dont back fire. all of the top 4 have been tapping up for years
tombeast
Sep 7 2009, 04:59 PM
QUOTE(Amar @ Sep 7 2009, 04:35 PM)

fifa have yet to confirm it. why would united threaten them if they were innocent? surely they would wait until they got their not guilty verdict
this just makes it look united have something to hide?
i pray with the amount of youngsters liverpool have tapped up dont back fire. all of the top 4 have been tapping up for years
Yeah in a way i expect utd to get done over this. There have been many reports of united tapping up in the past. But as Phil said, i'm pretty sure united give kids parents jobs, i think it was either Petruzzi or Macheda whose dad was given a job as a groundskeeper to get them here. I think that makes it possible to bring the kids into manchester...although it's all a very murky area. Guess we'll just have to wait and see.
Amar
Sep 7 2009, 06:17 PM
imo ALL clubs have tapped up players
pacheco- we tapped him up, barce were well pissed when we got him. countless other players as well. all of the top 4 do it but now that chelsea got caught over it other clubs are correct to do it as well
i personally think united are bricking it but mark my words liverpool and arsenal will be praying they are kept out of this because we also will be screwed
on another note, crew said a big pl team tried to tap up their youngster and have reported the club to the fa...
kwacka
Sep 7 2009, 08:59 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/t...utd/8242430.stmwe believe he had signed no contract worth its salt.......let them show this piece of "legal" paper.
as far as "bricking it" by threatening to take Le Harve to court.
what would you do if someone accused you of something whilst claiming to have filed a complaint,when they have not and still have not.
if its that clear cut the french would have had this sitting in Platinis/Blatters lap already........they have had since 15 may
Fifa make the rules not United
Amar
Sep 8 2009, 11:06 AM
city reported to fifa now
so that is chelsea, united and city npw
guess what, the club crew have complained about is liverpool....=/
Amar
Sep 9 2009, 10:49 AM
fiorentina reported united now lol
trifke
Sep 9 2009, 05:49 PM
...the floodgates have open,it seems that the fashionable thing to do this autum is report an English club to Fifa

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kwacka
Sep 9 2009, 06:10 PM
QUOTE(Amar @ Sep 9 2009, 10:37 AM)

fiorentina reported united now lol
Gaël Mahé, Pogba’s agent, also claimed that no wrongdoing had taken place. He said: “No money had changed hands up front, though Paul will get a very good contract when he turns professional. All he has from United is a flat in Manchester for him and his mother to live in. The problem is that there are three things Le Havre do not have. They do not have a contract aspirant, they do not have convention of formation and they do not have a late-trigger contract. All they have is a contract of non-solicitation, which is invalid outside France.
“We spent a long time ensuring that the document we signed with Manchester United was legally watertight.”
We done the same with Macheda so the Italians can go hang as well
Amar
Sep 9 2009, 06:32 PM
pretty sure chelsea just said they done nothing wrong
tbh the big clubs who get these youngsters are bricking it now....i am just worried about liverpool getting banned. i wouldnt be surprised if the top 4 in england get the ban because we seem to do it the most
they should just ban under 18 transfers which i think is a good idea
kwacka
Sep 9 2009, 08:44 PM
fair point....but whilst they leave the door open...it will be exploited.
it a very grey area,but United have an extremley well clued up set of lawyers.
christ we even used a banned agent for norweigen kids at one time and they could not touch us.
i just think we are a bit cleverer than Chelsea, who have a very arrogant attitude to contracts......obi mikel???
Amar
Sep 9 2009, 09:02 PM
very true, tbh i hope liverpool do get caught
we are fcking skint anyway, we lost half of the alonso money which went to the owners and had a 0 budget from them as well. this way the owners cant get any of the player sales money those wankers
kwacka
Sep 10 2009, 06:13 AM
QUOTE(Amar @ Sep 9 2009, 08:50 PM)

we are fcking skint anyway, we lost half of the alonso money which went to the owners and had a 0 budget from them as well. this way the owners cant get any of the player sales money those wankers
i told you that you would see no money from them selling their hockey business.
i think they want someone to buy them out as quick as poss......but selling and not strengthing willjust drive down your price,as the next lot will have to delve deep.
our lot at least seem to realise they have to spend to keep a good team otherwise that debt servicing will hang us good and proper.
Double Oh Seven
Sep 10 2009, 08:54 AM
QUOTE(tombeast @ Sep 7 2009, 04:47 PM)

Yeah in a way i expect utd to get done over this. There have been many reports of united tapping up in the past. But as Phil said, i'm pretty sure united give kids parents jobs, i think it was either Petruzzi or Macheda whose dad was given a job as a groundskeeper to get them here.
The goundsman thing was to the Da silva Twin's dad. He was a gardener by trade in Brazil. They will have helped out other parents though in same way. Providing jobs (translator maybe (if they speak english) or getting them a house/appartment.
Double Oh Seven
Sep 10 2009, 08:56 AM
QUOTE(Amar @ Sep 9 2009, 06:20 PM)

they should just ban under 18 transfers which i think is a good idea
They already have. All a club needs to do though is convice the player's parents to move to England, then the kid can join UTD, Pool etc. Do you think Fifa could every turn around and enforce a 14/15/16 year old to stay in their country while their parents move abroad? I doubt it.
Double Oh Seven
Sep 10 2009, 09:00 AM
As for Blatter's recent comments about stoping child salvery. He's got it the wrong way around. It's UTD and other English clubs want to stop child salvery by believing a child not old enough to sign a pro contract should be to chose who he plays for at anytime. Blatter doesn't believe this should be the case, he believes anyone not old enough to sign a pro contract shouldn't be allowed to move anyway. I don't think the salves of old had a legal contract. No legal contract + plus enforced labour = slavery IMO. Blatter's a tool
Amar
Sep 10 2009, 11:37 AM
the slave comment is different here is what he meant by it
"But most of the cases we have on our desk are from Africa to Europe or South America to Europe.
"They are taken at 14 or 15 years old with clubs saying that their parents are going too. But they get put into another family, and what happens to them?
"One out of say 20 has a chance to go on in their career. The others are left, and they need to be protected.
"There is an age limit in the Fifa statute that stops a player being transferred internationally until he is 18. The European Union is different, it is 16.
"We now have a committee where each case is dealt with individually to see if a transfer can be allowed or not," added Blatter, who was in Cardiff to open a new Football Association of Wales training complex in the Vale of Glamorgan.
"It is the start of greater control of our game, to protect the young players.
"I have been asked by officials in Brazil to stop the exodus of their young players, and we will do the same in Africa.
"We are trying to organise leagues so players there can earn a decent living. That takes time, but we have started because it is the only way to protect young players.
"This current issue happened two years ago, I do not know why it has taken this time, but there are so many cases on the desks of Fifa."
tombeast
Sep 10 2009, 12:57 PM
QUOTE(Double Oh Seven @ Sep 10 2009, 08:42 AM)

The goundsman thing was to the Da silva Twin's dad. He was a gardener by trade in Brazil. They will have helped out other parents though in same way. Providing jobs (translator maybe (if they speak english) or getting them a house/appartment.
It looks like it is something we do often...
Petrucci's dad too
Double Oh Seven
Sep 10 2009, 02:17 PM
QUOTE(tombeast @ Sep 10 2009, 12:45 PM)

It looks like it is something we do often...
Petrucci's dad tooThank you. I did not know
Double Oh Seven
Sep 10 2009, 02:19 PM
QUOTE(Amar @ Sep 10 2009, 11:25 AM)

the slave comment is different here is what he meant by it
"But most of the cases we have on our desk are from Africa to Europe or South America to Europe.
"They are taken at 14 or 15 years old with clubs saying that their parents are going too. But they get put into another family, and what happens to them?
"One out of say 20 has a chance to go on in their career. The others are left, and they need to be protected.
"There is an age limit in the Fifa statute that stops a player being transferred internationally until he is 18. The European Union is different, it is 16.
"We now have a committee where each case is dealt with individually to see if a transfer can be allowed or not," added Blatter, who was in Cardiff to open a new Football Association of Wales training complex in the Vale of Glamorgan.
"It is the start of greater control of our game, to protect the young players.
"I have been asked by officials in Brazil to stop the exodus of their young players, and we will do the same in Africa.
"We are trying to organise leagues so players there can earn a decent living. That takes time, but we have started because it is the only way to protect young players.
"This current issue happened two years ago, I do not know why it has taken this time, but there are so many cases on the desks of Fifa."
For once Blatter says something that makes sense LOL. Still, how does this equate to slavery? The child who wasn't under contract wanted to go and did. Doesn't seem like slavery to me
kwacka
Sep 10 2009, 06:47 PM
QUOTE(Double Oh Seven @ Sep 10 2009, 02:05 PM)

Thank you. I did not know
so what if you did? are you bitter about us having our act together off the pitch as well as on it?
Double Oh Seven
Sep 10 2009, 07:47 PM
QUOTE(kwacka @ Sep 10 2009, 06:35 PM)

so what if you did? are you bitter about us having our act together off the pitch as well as on it?
Huh? I support UTD and have done for about 21 years. I totally don't get your point.... All i did was thank someone for some info
trifke
Sep 10 2009, 08:05 PM
...i dont think kwacka knew you were a united supporter

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kwacka
Sep 10 2009, 08:27 PM

sorry fella........its the scousers on here,making me paranoid and making me treat every post with a cynical eye
Double Oh Seven
Sep 11 2009, 08:11 AM
QUOTE(kwacka @ Sep 10 2009, 08:15 PM)


sorry fella........its the scousers on here,making me paranoid and making me treat every post with a cynical eye
LOL OK. No probs
jackyshaw8
Sep 18 2009, 06:59 PM
chelsea have signed a young keeper but will leave him on loan for the next two seasons while paying his wages
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11661_5568326,00.html
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