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powertortoise
Journalist files charges against WHO and UN for Bioterrorism and intent to mass murder.

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...an Austrian investigative journalist is warning the world that the greatest crime in the history of humanity is underway. Jane Burgermeister has recently filed criminal charges with the FBI against the World Health Organization (WHO), the United Nations (UN), and several of the highest ranking government and corporate officials concerning bioterrorism and attempts to commit mass murder. She has also prepared an injunction against forced vaccination which is being filed in America. These actions follow her charges filed in April against Baxter AG and Avir Green Hills Biotechnology of Austria for producing contaminated bird flu vaccine, alleging this was a deliberate act to cause and profit from a pandemic.

Summary of claims and allegations filed with FBI in Austria on June 10, 2009

In her charges, Burgermeister presents evidence of acts of bioterrorism that is in violation of U.S. law by a group operating within the U.S. under the direction of international bankers who control the Federal Reserve, as well as WHO, UN and NATO. This bioterrorism is for the purpose of carrying out a mass genocide against the U.S. population by use of a genetically engineered flu pandemic virus with the intent of causing death. This group has annexed high government offices in the U.S. ...

Full story Here


Jane Burgermeister Swine Flu Lawsuit, Interview. Audio.
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Part4

Jane Burgermeister website contains details of her case: Herehttp://www.theflucase.com/


Added Link: An old report on the swine flu outbreak of 1976 and the consequences suffered by those vaccinated.
swine flu 1976


Here is link to petition against vaccines being compulsory.
Petition: A UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF RESISTANCE TO MANDATORY VACCINATIONS
smarrie
Holey leapin' lizards contra-cons!!! conspiracy theorists collide over cause of NWO's population culling control...David ['it's the vaccine'] vs Jane [it's the flu'] Bürgermeister.
morpheusprime
holy crap! it's both! the banks are masterminding this? lets see, people put money in banks, people stimulate the economy, banks use the peoples money to get rich, good plan, kill them all. i hear the horse racing industry is putting out hits on jockeys. emoticon-0110-tongueout.gif

alot of groups involved. i think she left out Starfleet and the boys and girls club in Milwaukee.

powertortoise
QUOTE(smarrie @ Aug 27 2009, 04:06 PM) *
Holey leapin' lizards contra-cons!!! conspiracy theorists collide over cause of NWO's population culling control...David ['it's the vaccine'] vs Jane [it's the flu'] Bürgermeister.


Have u even looked at it? if you had you would be calling her Jane ['its the vaccine'] Burgermeister. There is no 'Conspiracy theorists collide' at all in this.

btw, its a real lawsuit. Some of the evidence is on the website mentioned.
powertortoise
QUOTE(morpheusprime @ Aug 27 2009, 04:26 PM) *
holy crap! it's both! the banks are masterminding this? lets see, people put money in banks, people stimulate the economy, banks use the peoples money to get rich, good plan, kill them all. i hear the horse racing industry is putting out hits on jockeys. emoticon-0110-tongueout.gif

alot of groups involved. i think she left out Starfleet and the boys and girls club in Milwaukee.


You are laughing at something that is real. Compulsory vaccination by a government on the people using an untested product is a violation of basic human rights. The last time this happened in 1976, 1 person died from the flu, everybody else died from the vaccines.

I'm guessing that u think it is acceptable for the governments to FORCEFULLY inject everyone with aborted fetus', mercury, squaline, hiv/aids protiens among other ingredients (look into it). Did you know that squaline was thought to be responsible for 'gulf war sydrome' with it being present in the anthrax vaccines.

If you took the time to look into it, you would find mainstream reports that 50% of doctors (mailonline, The Daily Mail UK) will refuse the vaccine on safety grounds. and 30% of nurses will refuse. If doctors are refusing..there is good reason.

Whether this journalist is correct in her lawsuit allegations or not, Compulsory vacination of a people by its government, using a vaccine that has not been rigourously tested, is deeply suspicious at best, as well as illegal and a breach of basic rights.
Although I respect your right to be injected with death syrum..er i mean swine flu vaccine if you choose to, maybe you can let me know how you get on? because I wont be having the vaccine. and neither will millions of people with any sense.

What if the jab really is as dangerous as is suggested here? Once you have taken it, there is nothing you can do about it. I prefer to use brain first, take vaccine later (if at all). not the other way around.

Ive never had a (seasonal flu) vaccine. And I've never had seasonal flu, even when there have been people living in the same house suffering from flu, i havent caught it. Im confident that the system in my body that has been designed over thousands of years to fight off infections and bacteria, works better than something somebody has invented within a few months. Who's worried about catching swine flu? nobody I know. The people who have already had it were over it in a few days, and say it was just like regular flu. She didnt take Tamiflu and recovered well. I saw her while still apparently contagious, I havent caught it. Funny, i never use meds and never get ill. (Except after drinking alcoholl)
smarrie
As real as real could possibly be, in a cyber world of make believe...keep the night light lit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jane_Burgermeister
morpheusprime
QUOTE(powertortoise @ Aug 27 2009, 03:03 PM) *
You are laughing at something that is real. Compulsory vaccination by a government on the people using an untested product is a violation of basic human rights. The last time this happened in 1976, 1 person died from the flu, everybody else died from the vaccines.

I'm guessing that u think it is acceptable for the governments to FORCEFULLY inject everyone with aborted fetus', mercury, squaline, hiv/aids protiens among other ingredients (look into it). Did you know that squaline was thought to be responsible for 'gulf war sydrome' with it being present in the anthrax vaccines.

If you took the time to look into it, you would find mainstream reports that 50% of doctors (mailonline, The Daily Mail UK) will refuse the vaccine on safety grounds. and 30% of nurses will refuse. If doctors are refusing..there is good reason.

Whether this journalist is correct in her lawsuit allegations or not, Compulsory vacination of a people by its government, using a vaccine that has not been rigourously tested, is deeply suspicious at best, as well as illegal and a breach of basic rights.
Although I respect your right to be injected with death syrum..er i mean swine flu vaccine if you choose to, maybe you can let me know how you get on? because I wont be having the vaccine. and neither will millions of people with any sense.

What if the jab really is as dangerous as is suggested here? Once you have taken it, there is nothing you can do about it. I prefer to use brain first, take vaccine later (if at all). not the other way around.

Ive never had a (seasonal flu) vaccine. And I've never had seasonal flu, even when there have been people living in the same house suffering from flu, i havent caught it. Im confident that the system in my body that has been designed over thousands of years to fight off infections and bacteria, works better than something somebody has invented within a few months. Who's worried about catching swine flu? nobody I know. The people who have already had it were over it in a few days, and say it was just like regular flu. She didnt take Tamiflu and recovered well. I saw her while still apparently contagious, I havent caught it. Funny, i never use meds and never get ill. (Except after drinking alcoholl)



im sorry if i wasn't clear. i could have saved you a lot of typing. i was not laughing about potentially dangerous vaccines. i was laughing at the international bankers who control everything being behind it. the whole mason connection. couldn't make it sound more ridiculous if you tried. (not you) even you said "Compulsory vaccination by a government on the people" not evil bankers. if im suppost to be convinced, yelling NWO isnt going to help.
powertortoise
QUOTE(smarrie @ Aug 27 2009, 08:21 PM) *
As real as real could possibly be, in a cyber world of make believe...keep the night light lit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Jane_Burgermeister


Dont be an ass. Provide some decent links (of any viewpoint). Or make some contribution towards supporting your opinion(if you have one). Dont just make sarcastic comments designed to ridicule the subject matter. Or make them funny at least.

Whoever made that wiki entry (or freely edited it with their own opinion. The reason i dont like to quote wikipedia) has created a clearly biased view written incoherently in places and is poorly sourced. doesnt tell me anything about the person.

not in line with wikipedias article rules:

"This article must adhere to the policy on biographies of living persons. Controversial material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted or if there are other concerns relative to this policy, report it on the living persons biographies noticeboard."


It is still a fact that she did indeed file that lawsuit with the fbi. i.e. REAL. Whether all her claims are true I dont know. But it really wouldnt surprise me at all if she was 100% correct. The wiki entry is garbage.

smarrie
Progressively, post by post, the doc forums are featuring more and more dis-infotainment..."Only falsehood wins renown, not understanding." (Hermann Broch 'The Death of Virgil')
kuys
QUOTE(smarrie @ Aug 27 2009, 11:35 PM) *
Progressively, post by post, the doc forums are featuring more and more dis-infotainment..."Only falsehood wins renown, not understanding." (Hermann Broch 'The Death of Virgil')


I was going to say something similar. Shouldn't this be in the paranormal conspiracy section. I think it needs to be moved.
powertortoise
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Shouldn't this be in the paranormal conspiracy section. I think it needs to be moved

i was gonna go paranormal and conspiracy, although this was more about swine flu and the vaccine, and the fact that somebody has filed a lawsuit claiming that the vaccine is designed to reduce population numbers.

Although she is making allegations of a conspiracy to murder. This story itself is factual. The issue of the possibility that vaccines will become compulsory before being tested properly is factual. The fact that baxter were caught red handed spreading live avian flu to 18 countries (whether accidental or intentional) is also fact.

I would have thought things like Jfk assasination, or david icke presentations would fit 'conspiracy', while things like ghosts, esp, phsycic powers etc would fit 'paranormal'. This is neither.

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Progressively, post by post, the doc forums are featuring more and more dis-infotainment "Only falsehood wins renown, not understanding." (Hermann Broch 'The Death of Virgil')


The is no disinfo here. real story about someone who is making far-fetched (but not necesarilly untrue) claims.

"Only falsehood wins renown, not understanding."???? oh really. What does that have to do with swine flu? Its a statement that could be true or false depending on the context of its focus.

Oh..heres an old report on the 1976 outbreak of swine flu and the consequences suffered by those who were vaccinated

swine flu 1976
anninitally
provoking
powertortoise
No post to mark the move to paranormal/conspiracy section?
jason
QUOTE(powertortoise @ Sep 14 2009, 12:33 PM) *
No post to mark the move to paranormal/conspiracy section?

In my opinion...........

I commend you on your efforts to increase awareness of this alarming chain of events, which is why you possibly originally posted in a different section (whichever one it was). Now it's been moved to the conspiracy heading, it won't be taken as seriously or seen by as many people which is a shame, but sadly predictable. This genre of documentary at QSS is frought with dis and misinformation which serves to act like a maze of smoke and mirrors, with quicksand for a floor.

However, sufficient evidence and transparent testimonies are revealed here to paint a rather nasty picture about what the controlling forces have been up to for quite some time in their shadows, and what their plans are likely to involve for the future.

This does indeed include a likely mass culling of the worlds population, leaving a far smaller population to control with their technology and lies, out of the ashes of their caused devastation. War, economic collapse and viral pandemic are the three most likely scenarios of combination, whatever will have the desired affect.

Beneath all that is an esoteric/occult agenda of the darkest nature. There are forces that desire to amputate what will be left of the populous from their very souls, leaving a completely malleable out of touch set of robot slaves (not far from what exists today...lol), devoid of intuition and creativity. These forces could be described as satanic, demonic or whatever, does it really matter? What matters is the manipulation and infiltration these forces have had upon dynasty's and institutions of power....................directly and indirectly nuturing and seducing sychophantic egos with their prizes of wealth and power as history has unfolded.

The wealth and power agenda of BIGpharma also has esoteric slant, manipulating apathy and subserviance chemically, but is increasing this monetary strength a perpetual strategy? Nope, it has merely served those right at the top of the various companies to manipulate their ultimate nightmare into existence. The money power game is making way for a new one.

Depressing and disturbing indeed, and easy to dismiss as hogwash by minds that wish to avoid going there, usually including a bit of derogatory finger wagging and ridicule towards those that have stepped out of the general consensus or paradigm.

My personal views have taken years of research, logic and intuition to cultivate, and are not rigid, but is where I'm currently at now, and I respect anyones right to agree or disagree in part or in full.

However, when looking at many vaccination ingredients, I cannot fathom nor have I heard of any rational defense for their inclusion. These include aluminium hydroxide, mercury, formaldahyde, msg, aspartame and all sorts of nasty sounding derivatives taken from infected animal parts. Mmmm lots of yummy stuff to intravenously digest there. Yeah, BIGpharma cares for us, baaahaaaaa...........Don't believe this, or wont research?..................your choice.

Then of course you have the HIV contaminated blood sold to children around the world with full knowledge from Bayer and co. But no one seems to notice, no one seems to care. No front page news, instead we get celebratism and fear from terrorism or recently a pandemic.

Not forgetting the birld flu contaminated flu shots, sheduled for injection, discovered in Austria. Then the outbreak on a Swiss train earlier this year when a package exploded, nice precautions taken there. What the fuck is swine flu anyway, there's been no hysterical slaughtering of pigs like we had with chickens and other foul when avain flu hit the streets, and how the fuck did it come about? Manmade, in a lab, of course. Viruses cannot cross species unless initially done through the blood. Maybe somone was making a sick porno sequel "Animal Farm 2" with some under the weather actors, a little chicken, pig and human anal menage et trois, that might work.

Jane Burgermeister, a respected health journalist who has written for the Gaurdian amongst others, recently lost her job of 2 years after filing charges with FBI, although she appears to be a very qualified, honest, articulate and caring individual, maybe she's just lying and has decided to ditch her long standing career in healthcare journalism, to earn a quick buck in the conspiracy field instead.

Ted Gunderson (former head of the FIB, sorry the FBI in various states) has filed many charges, providing evidence with the FBI before, just as damning and maybe even more disturbing, without any further investigation or response, so I'm not holding my breath with this one. Can't trust any powerful institution it seems...............c'mon internal high ranking whistleblowers find your heart and the courage in it.

Despite all this I'm hopeful the truth will have it's day, but there will be some heavy shit to go through first.

If at all possible I'd also suggest to never take any vaccine. Keep your immune system strong by eating a healthy diet, vitamin D (cod liver oil) will help loads, and seek natural medicines wherever possible.

Good post, thanks.
mark8
See this topic for reasons why this belongs in the conspiracy section.
http://ipb.quicksilverscreen.com/index.php...mp;#entry802314
Truthiness
Just take your shot and go back to sleep mark8.
jason
Which way to direct our cynisim it would seem. Against the establishment in my book...........I mean just look at history and the state of the world!

Good luck to those that accept all that poison into their viens, and good luck to those that choose to bolster their immune system by using natural holistic remedies and food.

We shall see.
powertortoise
Truthiness posted same topic in june:
http://ipb.quicksilverscreen.com/index.php?showtopic=155090
jason
QUOTE(powertortoise @ Sep 18 2009, 08:21 PM) *

Glad he brought it to my attention this time round on QSS.
Subtonik
Powertortoise, thanks for posting this. I'm about to watch it, but I thought I would read through the comments first. You and Jason made some very nice posts and now I'm feeling a lot more intrigued and excited. We should just ignore some of these skeptics rather than going through the stress and frustration of having to persuade them to atleast consider a different view point from that of Bill O'Reilly (their minds are already clearly made up). I do understand wanting to keep your thread untarnished by closed-minded trolls and I'd probably react the same way. Has anyone considered the possibility that some of these skeptics posting are in fact disinfo/counterintel agents themselves (perhaps even unwittingly)?

Ive seen a few message boards recently that have a thread banning option available to the thread starter. Might be something to consider for site admins as I have noticed that a lot of negative comments in the movies section get deleted by mods. Giving thread starters the responsibility of cleaning up their own threads may free up some man hours.
jason
QUOTE(Subtonik @ Oct 2 2009, 06:34 AM) *
Powertortoise, thanks for posting this. I'm about to watch it, but I thought I would read through the comments first. You and Jason made some very nice posts and now I'm feeling a lot more intrigued and excited. We should just ignore some of these skeptics rather than going through the stress and frustration of having to persuade them to atleast consider a different view point from that of Bill O'Reilly (their minds are already clearly made up). I do understand wanting to keep your thread untarnished by closed-minded trolls and I'd probably react the same way. Has anyone considered the possibility that some of these skeptics posting are in fact disinfo/counterintel agents themselves (perhaps even unwittingly)?

Ive seen a few message boards recently that have a thread banning option available to the thread starter. Might be something to consider for site admins as I have noticed that a lot of negative comments in the movies section get deleted by mods. Giving thread starters the responsibility of cleaning up their own threads may free up some man hours.

Your appreciation is appreciated. emoticon-0144-nod.gif

No doubt in my mind some forums are stained by disinfo/counterintel agents as well as blinkered dinosaurs, and this site could of well been a victim of this too (certainly the latter).

Differentiating the agendas is almost impossible, however, and freedom to express opposing opinions is absolutely neccassary no matter what the agenda might be, in a fair and progressive society.

This may like you say, create many additional hours of research and intuitive reflection as a result of self-doubt or sabotaging ego, but isn't that part of the journey towards truth, subjective and objective (which may well be just subjective - how I love a paradox) ?

Amongst all the multi-level varying opposing truths, mis and disinformation, if one searches enough with an open mind, certain chesnuts of evidence surface that seriously and irefutably challange the current paradigm or general consensus.

Personally, it is those kernals of deeper truth that I find myself coming back to, when my open mindedness is steered off course with someone elses archaic mindset.

Intuitively I've always felt something severly wrong with the general consensus (like a splinter in the mind emoticon-0136-giggle.gif ), but feel as time goes on the challenge to it seems to become stronger amongst the people I interact with, like a slowly but surely global awakening really is taking place..........and it's gathering pace. emoticon-0137-clapping.gif

This I feel, is a natural result of an evolving collective consciousness which is unstoppable. So ultimately, the disinfo agents are wasting their time and are merely slowing down, at best, the inevitable, whilst the dinosaurs will change as the new waves of thinking will eventually wash away their ego enriched stagnations.

Therefore I don't think any form of censorship is a good thing.............imho.
Subtonik
QUOTE(jason @ Oct 2 2009, 09:02 AM) *
Your appreciation is appreciated. emoticon-0144-nod.gif

No doubt in my mind some forums are stained by disinfo/counterintel agents as well as blinkered dinosaurs, and this site could of well been a victim of this too (certainly the latter).

Differentiating the agendas is almost impossible, however, and freedom to express opposing opinions is absolutely neccassary no matter what the agenda might be, in a fair and progressive society.

This may like you say, create many additional hours of research and intuitive reflection as a result of self-doubt or sabotaging ego, but isn't that part of the journey towards truth, subjective and objective (which may well be just subjective - how I love a paradox) ?

Amongst all the multi-level varying opposing truths, mis and disinformation, if one searches enough with an open mind, certain chesnuts of evidence surface that seriously and irefutably challange the current paradigm or general consensus.

Personally, it is those kernals of deeper truth that I find myself coming back to, when my open mindedness is steered off course with someone elses archaic mindset.

Intuitively I've always felt something severely wrong with the general consensus (like a splinter in the mind emoticon-0136-giggle.gif ), but feel as time goes on the challenge to it seems to become stronger amongst the people I interact with, like a slowly but surely global awakening really is taking place..........and it's gathering pace. emoticon-0137-clapping.gif

This I feel, is a natural result of an evolving collective consciousness which is unstoppable. So ultimately, the disinfo agents are wasting their time and are merely slowing down, at best, the inevitable, whilst the dinosaurs will change as the new waves of thinking will eventually wash away their ego enriched stagnations.

Therefore I don't think any form of censorship is a good thing.............imho.


That was a good read and I guess a banning option is not conducive to any 'truth movement'.

Ive been reading up on this since yesterday and it seems that Jane Burgermeister is currently in a credibility feud with Dr. Bill Deagle (AIDS, Vaccines whistle blower) and True Ott. Im having a hard time trying to get to the bottom of it.

Jane is accusing Bill and co of starting a smear campaign against her. Someone posted up fake photos of Jane on Bill Deagle's site, quite a few people posted comments saying it wasn't her and they got deleted (the comments, not the fake photo). Jane is also accusing Deagle of tampering with her documents and redistributing them. Jane has posted up email exchanges between her and True Ott at birdflu666.wordpress.com, ultimately accusing Deagle and Ott of being counter inteligence plants. She's also flung the same accusation at Alex Jones because he cancelled a scheduled interview with her.

Bill Deagle and True Ott are accusing Jane of spreading purposely leaked and unverfied info to the public, as well as making too many bold statements (accusations against Barrack Obama for example). When they asked her to provide them with proof that she had indeed filed criminal charges in the US with the FBI, she was unable to furnish them with any evidence, and has yet to do so. They've gone ahead and publicly labeled her a nutcase.

All in all, these people seem to be overzealously jumping to conclusions and causing some serious drama on the conspiracy circuit.

I watched Bill Deagle's Project Camelot interview, and not once does he mention where he went to school and received all his training on toxicology, infectious disease, genetics, cyberneting modeling, AI, quantum physics etc..(Jane Burgermeister, on the other hand, studied at the university of edinburgh and has a verifiable career as a journalist) His interview goes off on many tangents (he has a hard time answering direct questions and instead seems like he wants to tell a prefabricated story). He preaches all sorts of stuff on spirituality and compares himself to a few prophets and religuous figures including moses (he infact says hes a direct descendant of Moses and that hes on some special mission from god, whom he talks to and receives guidance from on a constant basis)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxHtmtdw41c

^^ Here Deagle literally declares war against Jane Burgermeister. His pompous attitude does not strike me as someone with many spiritual inclinations... My gut feeling tells me hes the disinfo agent

Any thoughts??
jason
QUOTE(Subtonik @ Oct 2 2009, 06:56 PM) *
That was a good read and I guess a banning option is not conducive to any 'truth movement'.

Ive been reading up on this since yesterday and it seems that Jane Burgermeister is currently in a credibility feud with Dr. Bill Deagle (AIDS, Vaccines whistle blower) and True Ott. Im having a hard time trying to get to the bottom of it.

Jane is accusing Bill and co of starting a smear campaign against her. Someone posted up fake photos of Jane on Bill Deagle's site, quite a few people posted comments saying it wasn't her and they got deleted (the comments, not the fake photo). Jane is also accusing Deagle of tampering with her documents and redistributing them. Jane has posted up email exchanges between her and True Ott at birdflu666.wordpress.com, ultimately accusing Deagle and Ott of being counter inteligence plants. She's also flung the same accusation at Alex Jones because he cancelled a scheduled interview with her.

Bill Deagle and True Ott are accusing Jane of spreading purposely leaked and unverfied info to the public, as well as making too many bold statements (accusations against Barrack Obama for example). When they asked her to provide them with proof that she had indeed filed criminal charges in the US with the FBI, she was unable to furnish them with any evidence, and has yet to do so. They've gone ahead and publicly labeled her a nutcase.

All in all, these people seem to be overzealously jumping to conclusions and causing some serious drama on the conspiracy circuit.

I watched Bill Deagle's Project Camelot interview, and not once does he mention where he went to school and received all his training on toxicology, infectious disease, genetics, cyberneting modeling, AI, quantum physics etc..(Jane Burgermeister, on the other hand, studied at the university of edinburgh and has a verifiable career as a journalist) His interview goes off on many tangents (he has a hard time answering direct questions and instead seems like he wants to tell a prefabricated story). He preaches all sorts of stuff on spirituality and compares himself to a few prophets and religuous figures including moses (he infact says hes a direct descendant of Moses and that hes on some special mission from god, whom he talks to and receives guidance from on a constant basis)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxHtmtdw41c

^^ Here Deagle literally declares war against Jane Burgermeister. His pompous attitude does not strike me as someone with many spiritual inclinations... My gut feeling tells me hes the disinfo agent

Any thoughts??

Great find, and my sentiments are similar to yours.

I'll be looking into this more when time allows. Like you said there's some serious drama here, is there anyone trustworthy anymore? emoticon-0107-sweating.gif
powertortoise
QUOTE(Subtonik @ Oct 2 2009, 06:34 AM) *
Powertortoise, thanks for posting this. I'm about to watch it, but I thought I would read through the comments first. You and Jason made some very nice posts and now I'm feeling a lot more intrigued and excited. We should just ignore some of these skeptics rather than going through the stress and frustration of having to persuade them to atleast consider a different view point from that of Bill O'Reilly (their minds are already clearly made up). I do understand wanting to keep your thread untarnished by closed-minded trolls and I'd probably react the same way. Has anyone considered the possibility that some of these skeptics posting are in fact disinfo/counterintel agents themselves (perhaps even unwittingly)?

Ive seen a few message boards recently that have a thread banning option available to the thread starter. Might be something to consider for site admins as I have noticed that a lot of negative comments in the movies section get deleted by mods. Giving thread starters the responsibility of cleaning up their own threads may free up some man hours.


I had previously considered everything you said there.

some members posts you could guess with 99% accuracy before theyve even posted. They will just stick up for the 'official' view of events. so we already know what they will say before they say it.

they fail to see that the people associated with sites like quackwatch can easily be proven to be liars, and the so called experts will just repeat the 'official' profitable view without having done any half believable research themselves.

I dont agree with censorship, so your last idea is a difficult one.

Ive given up responding to half-assed attempts at discrediting stuff by certain people, because most people i know are wise to posts that repeat bullshit that they got from somewhere else without using their brains.
powertortoise
QUOTE(jason @ Oct 4 2009, 08:07 PM) *
Great find, and my sentiments are similar to yours.

I'll be looking into this more when time allows. Like you said there's some serious drama here, is there anyone trustworthy anymore? emoticon-0107-sweating.gif


I also find dr deagle very suspicious at best.
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