Saddam was executed a few hours ago. I myself think that killing a man is a crime whatever they have done. What gives us the right to judge with morals, that by definition are relative to person to person and culture to culture, that a mans life should be ended. How does that make us any better than him.

The blood is on our hands now.

What do you think?

.::Lord $mudge::.

I didnt touch him.

At the end of the day the guy did what ever he wanted and my mum always said, do what ever you want...but be prepared to pay the consiquences.

Yarr, death to the bee-yotch. He deserves it, slaughtering many citizens of the humble world, trying to 'reign' the entire world, trying to escape in a freakin' little hole! The bastard..!

Should Saddam have been excecuted?
no he should have been locked up for his hole life

Yeah but we all know how that turns out, Life is meant to be 25 years or so but more often than not, it gets reduced to 10 for 'Good Behaviour'

hard to say, i voted no, but if his death helps iraq to become more stable i would change it to a yes.
but it would probably cause more damage then repairs.

objections about the morality of death penalty is global and have nothing to do with saddam himself.
if you look at his actions its natural that he deserved to be punished.

I think his death has made things worse globally and in Iraq and it has been handled with very poorly.

PS I don't think he'd get off on good behavior.

.::Lord $mudge::.

They should not of killed him. If anything, they should of released him to take power once again. He would of kept all those insurgents and terrorists on bay. If you think about it, when he was in power there was no threat to the united states as far as terrorists. Saddam took care of them his way, Sure we live in a county where we see what he did immoral and wrong but fact of the matter is we do not live in Iraq or anywhere near so we do not know what kind of lifestyle they live nor I want to know. The United States shouldve pardoned Saddam gave him power and use him as a Guinea Pig to stabilize the Middle East. Unfortunately, President Bush had other plans.....

While I agree with you that Iraq didn't have as many problems with terrorism when Sadam was in power, it's ridiculous to say that the United states didn't have any. And no matter what type of lifestyle those in Iraq lead, it does not in any way condone the things that he did to the Kurds. As for pardoning him and putting him back in power, we've put murderers in power before, but I've never been for that before, and I certainly wouldn't support it now. I feel that it was immoral to allow for him to be executed, and to me, he was just on more unfortunate death that didn't need to happen, but that doesn't mean that he wasn't guilty of horrible, horrible crimes. We may have gone into the war for the wrong reasons, and lost over 3000 American soldiers, but at least Iraq isn't controled by Sadam anymore.

I think its very difficult to decide

Locking up a man for the rest of his life does nothing these days

All you take away is their freedom to move around

But then killing the man is allowing yourself to be God.

A right no one has.

Yeah the whole systems pretty much fucked up, pardon my French but that's the truth!

.::Lord $mudge::.

Yeah the whole systems pretty much fucked up, pardon my French but that's the truth!

.::Lord $mudge::.

well. Put yourself in his shoes, to be told when and what time you will die is quite horrible, because i'd rather be killed out of a blue then being told when i'm going to die. So no matter how bad you are, death sentance shouldn't be allowed at all, but he should be left in jail till he dies. As thats quite mentally painful, being placed in a box with just a bed and a toliet to talk to...

come on people. you make me sick. thinking someone should die? everyone knows 2 wrongs don't make a right.


so we are killing him to show that killing is wrong. welcome to this sick world. with our sick president, and no i am not a hippy.

Killing Saddam wasnt justice. He should have paid for his crimes instead they ended his life. I dont know what a better punishment would have been but I can certainly say that I dont belive that Saddam dying was good enough.

Even if they had to kill him, I don't see why we should allow him to have been hanged. Most of us agree that killing him in the first place was wrong, but why do we need to cause uneeded suffering? I just don't get the world sometimes...

Government like to show they are more powerful than anyone else. With Saddam I think they wanted to show that this tyrant had sufferd in his dying moments thus showing that are more powerful than him.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...6101001442.html

Bush, Blair & Co are all as guitly as Saddam, (killing & torturing thousands of innocents in Iraq, Afghanistan, WTC, etc.) :evil:
Shouldn't they also suffer the same fate :?:

Anyway, how do we know if it was the real Saddam who was hung, or one of his many doubles :?:

Not to mention that he was created by the USA anyway :!: :roll:

Yep i think Bush and Blaire should be executed too, but it appears you are only guilty of war crimes if you are on the losing side

They are all on the losing side :!:

It seems to me the only losing side is the general public of Iraq, U.S.A and U.K

Not in terms of who completed their goals they aren't

ANYONE THAT THINKS SADDAM SHOULD NOT BE EXICUTED FUCK YOU!!! DO U REALISE HOW MANY INNOCENT PEOPLE HE KILLED?

U ARE RETARTED! huge threats they were buying bomb suplies that could be deployed on cities all over the word. and his way is not the right way the people had no freedom in iraq

This ended up in my alerts (I don't know what it has to do with Chemistry), but I thought people reading this thread would be interested:

abstract:
Doomsday clock moves forward 2 minutes
The Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists (BAS) is moving the minute hand of the Doomsday Clock on January 17, 2007, from seven to five minutes to midnight. Reflecting global failures to solve the problems posed by nuclear weapons and the climate crisis, the decision by the BAS Board of Directors was made in consultation with the Bulletin's Board of Sponsors, which includes 18 Nobel Laureates.

full article:
http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/200...a-dcm011707.php

My vote is a 100% vote.

I'm sorry, but murder sanctioned by the state is not acceptable.

I hear people who say but he's done bad things, but remember, who got these wheels in motion that ended in Saddams death?

That's right, the White House. And who financed and armed him?
The Very same people.

The Bush Administration (snr and dubya) have a lot more innocent blood on their hands than Saddam has.

Interesting to see that the vote at the time I make this post is 20/20 even stevens.

goddamn americans
every outher country in the civiliced world abhor executions.
USA sucks - it is proved again :twisted:

Japan executes criminals.
So do many civilized Arab countries.

Just FYI.

heck yeah he should have been excecuted if they had'nt, they would put him in club fed for a while and let him out to to a huge estate just for him and he killed alot of people

yeah he deserved to die him and his evil
sons killed a lot of kids,raped a lot of women
and killed thousands of men for standing up
to him, i for one am glad hes dead he was pure evil.

i think he should have died but they shouldnt of hanged him and they should have done it behind closed doors

I think that he deserves what he got but i don't think anyone should die for what they've done but I'm not feeling sorry for the guy because he still deserves any punishment the people wanted to give him

Locking a man up does more than just prevent him moving. It prevents murder, rape, arson, or in some cases the wholesale slaughter of thousands or even millions. If George Bush were locked up before this all began, the lives of several hundred thousand Iraqi civilians would have been spared. Of course, you could say the same about Saddam.

But the idea of justice is founded on clemency, not revenge. I agree that it's a stimulating argument, but the decision should be simple. No one should want revenge in the form of a hangman's noose. The animal kingdom is full of murder, but if the argument is that we are civilized, and that's why we have these laws preventing murder and rape, we should be done away with for projecting those same outcomes back onto society in the forms of prison brutality and state sanctioned murder.

I understand that there is a need to lock certain people away, and I believe it's the only acceptable alternative to murder. There are clear advantages there, too. Like studying the criminal mind for decades on end, obtaining information vital to our understanding of the crimes, to profile, to comprehend. In Saddam's case, the information gleaned could've possibly saved lives.

And there are other elements, too. What good does it do us to thirst for blood? It's a fetishistic greed - the ultimate control of another's destiny - but it makes us no better than them. That's what gets them going, that lust for individual power that is fed to us through victim culture and media absorption and assumes the conditions and command of our current legal system. We're far more fucked up as a global people than any dictator has ever been on his own.

Personally, I think the right to life issue is more complicated.

no i dont think he should of been exucted he should of been locked up for his whole lofe because he just got hanged i bet u if he got locked up he wud of had a whole lotta pain cummin in his way!

No Saddam should not have been hung, even though he deserved it. Hanging him made him a martyr for those insurgents who want the US to leave Iraq. He should have been locked up for the rest of his life that way the US would have more easily been able to take control and stabilize iraq.

ya im not sure taking him out of power acomplished anythinh now there is just more bad thing happening there, but he was a bad person so its good that he died

...take control and stabilise Iraq by U.S,ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND,you have a country where one half of the population hates the other half based on religious belief and you take away the one thing that held the country together and what do you have a CIVIL WAR,we all know sadam was instated as head of Iraq by the west (he was the necesary evil) so why remove him,sadam has been doing what he does for decades with no opposition so why now?He clearly didnt have WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION so why are we in Iraq?

actually i change my mind, they shoulend of killed him they shoulend senence any body with the death penalty, all it does is free them from their guilt and the nightmares of prison, im strongly against death penalty but but im strongly for torture, im serious, and not crazy tortur im talking about life long RANDOM torture keep them on their toes than bam put them on life support and do things that make them wish they were dead, may seem cruel but come on what does death or prison do? 80% of the time absolutly nothing

...stupid keyboard(the last post),i have to say either you have wathched too many torture scenes or i wouldnt like to meet you on a dark night

I agree with you whole-heartedly trifke. I think that there was no reason to invade Iraq, but there is no way to change the past and we are in way over our heads. We created a mess over there and it is our responsibility to fix it. Quite frankly, I don't think that George Bush is capable of doing that. He doesn't need to get more troops, he needs to get out of iraq and let them run on their own or at least give them what they need to do so.

the arab countries you mean allows for example that the mother of a killed person can cut of the murders head in a big "ballpark" while hundreds are watching - I dont call that civilized. And how many people got executed in japan (in comparison to the population) ? Way less than in america, dude, thats for sure

Yeah and an arab country hanged a 12 or 13 year old girl for having an affair with a married man, or something like that. I don't think anything happened to the man. If that's civilized, i've no idea what barbaric is

Heh of course there was a reason. Granted, not one that made the invasion legal or one that the British or American government will ever admit.

It's funny how the so called allied forces, made the united nations as kind of a mediator to deiced if a war was legal or not. The first time that question was ever posed to them, the United Nations refused to support it, yet we went ahead with it anyway

They should of just tortured him over and over and then left him to rot for the rest of his life.

The death penalty im sure was a relief for him. He didnt have to suffer like the hundreds of thousands he tortured.

He Shouldnt OF Been Hung Yet He Should Of Been Used As A Human Gyne Pig First And Tourched Him Beat Him Half TO Death Once A week Made HimEat His Own Shit And Drink His Own Piss And Stripped Him Naked And Prorade Him Threw Iraq On The Pack Of A Lorry And Let People Throw Rocks And Stuff At Him The Man In The End Got What He Deserved But To Early Killing Him Wasnt Much Of A Punishment Because He Wasnt Tortured Before Hand 20 Days Before The Hanging Date He Should Hae Had A Finger And Toe Ripped Off To Remind Him How Long He Had To Live I Hope Satan Is Bummin The Prick Now With A 20 Inch Cock And Ripping His Body To Bits

...damm,so much hate,please tell me you are having some sort of counseling... :wink:

lol na just hate the cunt we thought a war against him lost british soilders and yet more our still dieing in iraq means we found him to late and he has to many followers what we should of done was smashed him about got them scared and proved a point and plus the dirty scumbag would of deserved it another 1 i think that should happen to is ian huntley and people who do sick stuff like that but theres no justice in this country my dads a prision officer and he tells me all the time about people coming in for 5 or 6 years and leaving when there sentenace was 12-13 years for rape its just not right anymore why take them to court at all if they dont stick to the punishment they feel is right

i think that he should have been in prison for life( no im not talking about 25 years or able to get out) he would have to stay in prison for the rest of his life. Ending his life isnt as bad as staying in a stinking prison eating bad food and near guys that want to carve a prison shank to kill him. It would be much worse if he was in prison. pm if you dissagree

i think they should have turtyred the sonbitch first