[u]Hello Torchwood fans.Hope your all having fun enjoying this series.And I want to thank all of those who work so hard to bring this series so quickly to us. Congrats all around and Thank you very much..
Right! From here on were allowing all discussion on what's happened and what you think of it and how it makes you feel.
PLEASE NO TORCHWOOD BASHING! Start your own discussion page if you want to do that. This isn't about whether or not you like the show or if it plausiable. We're here because we enjoy it.
ALSO NO VULGARITY! We're here to exchange ideas and viewpoints.Not to call each other names of comment on people directly! Everyone here who is a Torchwood fan has the right to thier opinion.I'll respect yours and please respect mine.

Now to start us off.....I really like the way the storyline is going in some ways.Love the children aspect. Miss Martha though.Think it's obvious who is her temporary or long term replacement. Not happy with the destruction of the Hub. Fantastic place full of now dead unique creatures. Did not see the reason for this but hopefully it will all make sense in the end. Great use of Ianto and Gwen.Thier characters have really grown in the three shows so far.Also feel it wasn't necessary to turn the Torchwood team into thieves. Jack's been around for a long time and been in quite a few situations. Enough to have better prepared for a total breakdown.Not to mention Gwen's comment to the Hospital Doctor of how she needed to hide the excess income from her new cheque from her hubby. And lastly,tha situation concerning the world's children would have obviously brought "The Doctor" so I feel the storyline exceeds the characters abilities.Remember this is my opinion and I would love to hear from other fans who disagree and can convince me otherwise..Thanks for your time and may this series last as long as the face of Bow....lol.

Even if Martha Jones was on her honeymoon this event would have brought her back, and she would have called The Doctor. Did I miss something--is her phone from The Doctor gone?? It seems out of character if they don't cover this issue..

Could not agree more Kmagolfer....this seems to me like a last hurrah. Especially after watching the day four (fourth episode) Mr.Russell seems to be in one frame of mind. A frame I find most disturbing. Growth comes from conflict and resolution not death and destruction. The first Season was brilliant but dark. This one is just making me sad and confused. As for Martha,I'm sure in this event your right. Unit would have recalled her. Not to mention (SPOILER ALERT!DO NOT READ ANYMORE IF YOU HAVE NOT WATCHED TO EPISODE THREE)........the fact that over 32,000,000 million being sent into the unknown would not somehow have attracted the Doctor's notice? Please! This is looking more and more like the swanson of the series.As I said.Sad really,though I am wondering if the actor playing Captain Jack is not tired with his character and wishing to move on. If true then it explains the direction of this series....what do you all think?

I was never a fan of the new version of doctor who and also could never really get into the older seasons of torchwood, but this new 5 part season has really grabbed my attention. Normally i don't watch much on normal TV anymore and just grab what i want from the net so that i can watch it at a time that suits me, this week the TV has been getting turned on at 9pm every night though lol.

Don't even have a cable feed here so we rely on the goodness of internet folks like you. I actually enjoyed the previous seasons of Torchwood.(Had a push the envelope attitude) but I respect that your opinion is different..Keep watching and here's hoping this isn't the last season.

I honestly hate they killed off another main character. ><'.

And Jack dying all the time is getting a bit old now. =/.

I miss Tosh. :[

I miss Tosh too Ashkir...Seems that this truly is the end of the series. Interesting fact is that if your a member of Torchwood... your life expectancy is around 48 to 60 months from your first day on the job. All of the orginal team are gone from Gwen's recruitment. And Ianto came from Torchwood London and was the sole survivior from the Dalek/Cyberman battle...Except of course for Jack.

Yup! I do hope that girl Lois gets a seat with Torchwood. She seems good. xD. And I hope Gwen survives for the sake of the baby. o.o. She did great at saying she was with Torchwood. haha. xD

If the Earth is really in that trouble; doesn't the doctor like always show up? O_o. I liked seeing Martha Jones in a few episodes; would love to see her again; but she's probably busy working on Law and Order UK (and is doing a great job at that part). I liked the team combination they had. Especially Tosh for some reason. And the show is feeling much much weaker without her, and now Ianto dead...again? That feels a bit of a mistake.

I am also wondering. Ianto worked for Torchwood London. The team is back at London...what happened to the original Torchwood London? It was closed in Doctor Who right; but why wasn't another branch in London open? 800 members is a lot. o.o. Oh just looked it up. xD. Got a little rusty, why did the Queen order Torchwood One to close in the first place?

What about Glasgow's torchwood? Or torchwood 4? Or the one in India?

I was surprised that Martha Jones and Mikey weren't there, at the end of Doctor Who Season 4 they said they want to work at Torchwood.

The actress of Martha Jones was offered a better job. Law and Order UK is 13 episodes a year. Torchwood was reduced to 5 a year. She choose to go with Law and Order. =/.

http://www.airlockalpha.com/node/6436

great news!
' Davies said he has the fourth season mapped out already, and likely could go another six years beyond that'
thought we might have seen the end to ol' Captain Jack I wouldn't mind paying my tv licence if they kept Torchwood round

7 years more = 35 episodes.

I want 13 episode seasons instead of five; 22 is even better.

more info on possible season 4, infact i think we all know ther will be a season 4 http://www.tvsquad.com/2009/06/14/davies-s...is-ready-to-go/

Angry is not a word I often use.But man am I PISSED!. If John Barrymore wanted to leave the show. There was obviously a better way than the last 15 minutes of day five of Children of Earth. To sacrice his own seems stupid. We only wind up hating the Captain Jack's character and Russelll Davies cheap tricks at resolution. I expected much more from this man. But was sadly dissappointed. A third rate hack could have come up with a less damaging ending to the Torchwood Franchise. If you or your staff read this Mr.Davies. Or the people who finance your productions. I hope you understand the incredible damage you have done. Removing the main characters and vilifying the lead has only caused confusion. The use of children as a go between in plotlines has only served to alienate those of us with children. I was uncomfortable with the plotline but trusted you to resolve it in true Davies fashion. That you didn't only shows you disregard for your audience. I and my spouse (and I'm sure many,many more) will nolonger watch your Torchwood series should it return. Unless you are completely remove from the process. I only hope enough complain about what you just did to a fantastic show so this happens....As always this is a open forum. I loved Torchwood.And am entitled to my opinion. I wish I could turn back time and had never seen Day five. You've ruined a show that could have become a legend in Science Fiction....leaving instead with a the shattered remains of what was once something great....If I'm wrong you are more than welcome to voice why you think so...We respect everyone's opinion here.If you agree with me then pass it on and let Mr.Davies feels as uncomfortable as we do know.

I just watched the last episode now. I am disappointed. Truly am disappointed. But, if series four comes, what will be the main group? Are they going to pull the "Skins" act and fully dump their cast and choose a new cast? If so I won't be so keen to like it as much as I did. I hated Skins for dumping its cast for a new one after two seasons. I really do hope Jack comes back. However Lois was a great character.

John Frobisher's character I ended up liking. I hated him at first; but because of Susan Brown's explanation to Lois. Her plan was brilliant as well; and they managed to take down a corrupt Prime Minister. Susan Brown pulled through with a strong character. So three new strong characters at the cost of two this season and two at the end of last season and Mickey and Martha is not worth it.

I really do hope that Gwen, Rhys and Lois do get parts in next season! I really liked Lois' character and feel she'll be a strong addition for next season.

Davies finshed Captain Jack the way he wanted from the begining. He wanted captain jack to be an anti-hero and people to hate him when he was introduced into the Doctor Who series.... we got to see him go from anti-hero to hero and ended as an anti-hero.

I believe captain jack stayed true to his character. he was always the kind to look at the big picture and well sacrificing one to save the rest was very much in character... not that i think it was right.

Great emotional rollercoaster ride. I laughed i cryied, got angry and appalled.

very good show.

Could someone clear this up for me? What was the timeline that Captain Jack was on Dr.Who and when Torchwood started meaning the Torchwood we saw on the TV. I cant remember.

*Also he is going to be on a couple of Dr. Who episodes this December and January.

The first appear of John Barrowman as Jack Harkness was at season 1 episode 9 "The Empty Child".
The TV-Show Torchwood must started after Season 1 of Doctor Who, because in the season final he gets immortal. But started before season 3 episode 11 of Docotor Who, when Jack jumps on the TARDIS at Cardiff thats consistent with the last episode of Season 1 Torchwood, also in episode 13 (Doctor Who) Jack tell that he missed his Team and that he had to protect Earth. So probably Torchwood season 1 played at the time of Doctor Who Season 2/3.

By the way after imdb.com Jack Harness appears at the last 2 Specials of Doctor Who (25.12.2009/01.01.2010)

Jack back in December on Dr.Who. Captain Jack will be back on Dr.Who in the December finale for David Tennant.
As for the Captain Jack being a anti-hero. I respect your opinion. Just don't share it. I've always seen The Torchwood Series as the next evolution in Science fiction. Jack was a open bi-sexual positive role model.Comfortable in his choices, he went about saving the Earth and it's English inhabitants for the best reason. To redeem himself and make the world a better place...

That was not the end of Torchwood people & Barrowman is on record as saying he would like to play Cpt Jack for the rest of his life.

That ending had more to do with an evoloution in Cpt Jack than anything and part of me thinks he'll find a way to bring Ianto back

That said i thought it was a piss poor effort even though the ratings were high.

By definition A hero
I guess the reason I'm upset with the Torchwood finale comes down to this...It's fictional.True.But most great heroes of our lifetime are....What Russell Daivies has left us with compares to:
A Star Trek series with just Kirk and Bones.
The Firefly series with just it's Captain
The X-files with just Mulder.
etc
I could go on but I think you get the picture.This series worked because of the team not in spite of it. And as to Jack's behavior in referance to his Grandson,well:
Batman wouls never kill Robin to save the world
Superman would never destroy Jimmy Olsen to stop a bad guy
The Doctor has never actually killed a Companion to save the day....

I know the show was a more adult version of the above genre,but there has to be a line that cannot be crossed for a hero and Captain Jack did. No matter what wrong he felt he righted.Captain Jack's character has become a flawed hero instead of the Symbol of a new standard not judged by lifestyle and beliefs. We accepted him for what he was and in turn Russel Davies tore that down.

...All I'm left with is the image of those red jacketed children in the school yard chanting "Why Mr.Davies..."

Captain Jack has never been a Hero & that along with his being a fixed time in space freeking to Doctor out was the reason the Doctor wants nothing to do with him.

FFS Jack was a conman.

The Doctor's thought many a companion has died due to his actions.

One Child for the Earth ?

Before someone get confused his name is John Barrowman.

No idea why i had a brainfart,i've changed it now

Have to agree with halligantj.

Loved the first four episodes, but in the fifth they lost it. The resolution felt very contrived. It really is unwritten rule that you cannot sacrifice a child, using it as a ploy in Jack's character development is quite callous. It would have been far better to sacrifice adults to save the children. Also, felt there were some very interesting plot lines and ideas that weren't fully explored. The whole cabinet decision had definite overtunes of the Wannsee conference. Unfortunately, they didn't develop this fully and the character that led the discussion to get rid of the least 'valuable' children, the female MP with the black eyes (brilliant actress, by the by), was portrayed as being one of the good guys at the end. The whole thing just left me irritated. I think Davies has realism mixed up pointless bleakness.

I agree with most of you guys about the last episode but..

I like the idea of jack having to make the decision to sacrafice a child, in his own family (Grandson), to save 10% of the children on earth. It in my opinion almost is like what the Doctor has to do, and i think that this was ment to make the connection between to the two.

Doctor - Had to sacrifice this whole race to destroy the darleks... and much more
Jack - Had to sacrifice a child to save 10% of worlds child population

I think they were trying to make out jack to be more like the doctor, has to make very hard discussions for the good of humanity.

Not forgetting that also jack is almost 200-300 years old already the doctor is 900 something. Jacks catchen up with him.

Anyway, what do you think of this opinion guys?

jacks like 2000 years old. i love torchwood but i hated the fact writers did that to him. i mean he spent 2000 years in the ground wouldt he go mad , if that happend?

to keep on topic , i think you're right jack and the doctor are simialr except jacks on the slow path.

Also i liked the fact he had to kill his granson.it made it seem more real. Jacks going to be damaged by that and we get to see how if at all he can over come it. i loved the last episode. i didt like it ianto (i cant spell his name) died but it was nice to have a real endding. somthing that alot of tv shows never have. i think .

JAcks not 2000 years old...

He was mortal for around 30 odd years, then the doctor came and dumped him back at around 1800 when he was made immortal.. making him around 200-300 years old.

I have to respectuosly disagree with all those who didn't like this episodes.
For me this was a brilliant Torchwood. The best so far.
Looking arround the net, this is the only forum where are peolple that hated this season.
The fact that is not always a happy ending, the fact that main caracters are not related with "Hollywood heroes" is what makes this series great.
Congratulation Mr. Russell T. Davies.

IAll opinions are welcome as always. As for Jack being old. No contest. Thanks to being buried alive by his own brother. (Who buried inside the Torchwood morgue is also to probably a casuality). As for the Doctor feeling as though he's killed alot or some of his companions. These were adults who knew full well the consequence of thier actions. it was always thier decision. The Doctor has never sacriced a living being to prevent a horrible outcome.Though he has in fact offered himself quite a few times. As to the Dalek/time lord wars. If you remember he actually tried to avert the outcome but the Time lord society never deviated from that which must be. And he expected to die in that battle.His survival was a accident. This arguement could have easily been resolved by Mr.Davies in his usual manner with Clem/Tim, the last of the 12 children first offered. It was pretty pointless to string him along till suddenly he dies. Can anyone explain my 456 did It just then? Would it not have been more in keeping with Torchwood genre to have Gwen sever the link and save him only later for Clem/tim to sacrifice himself for humanity,save one of his friends and find some peace? Thereby saving the demonization of Jack and the unspeakable act he committed? Any parent will tell you such a act is only in the thoughts of the insane? And yes I'm a parent.Which is maybe why .Even though I know this is only a tv series. It causes me and mine so much revulsion....Mr.Davies should never have written Jack into such a position. So it is obvious he hoped for such a dicussion or press as it were.....I feel it degrades a fantastic show....Just my opinion,Yours are just as valid..

Yes, I agree with some of the points you have made Halligantj

let us not forget that jack is also supposed to be, the face of beau.
my feelings as i watched the end of episode five were mixed,
jack does say " ill find another way" but he knew that time had run out.
there was only one option one child over million's. i can see him doing it,
but not to his own grandson.
i don't think it would be possible for any body to sacrifice there own child.

Jack is no stranger to sacrafice. He grew up under the threat of attack right? He fought in world war 2 ( he tells captain john he worked his way up the ranks)) he worked for torchwood for 100 years + he must have sacrfised alot. Also all the things he seen in life and death must give him a persepctive diffrent to ours. i think he simply did what he had to.

Yup i agree with you pushing. Good statement there, sums it up.

He didn't actually grow up under threat of attack though did he,he grew up into a 51st century conman who saw violence as a tool not something to shy away from ala the Doctor,Jack has always been a kill first ask questions later kind of guy.

The only reason he joined Torchwood was to find the Doctor.

This is also the guy that accidentally let his brother's hand, lost him to the enemy and was so tortured by the event he buried the memory.

Now Davies made him into a character that killed his flesh and blood with a rational thought process, which makes him insane or inhuman. To bring a character back from this is impossible, except by belittling the event. Next season - Jack has one of two episodes were he struggles with what he did and then back to business? The essence of any character is that the audience has empathy with them. How can we have empathy with a character that killed his child (once removed) in cold blood. The act is utterly inconceivable to any person.

i personally never like jack never trusted jack. Only watched it to see Gwen Cooper. Jack is dead to me now after he sacrificed his grandson. Sorry but i think most viewers would agree that if it was them. Then 10 percent of the children of the world would have got used up for drugs.

Now the part that confuses me is that they had the signal frequency the 456 used why the fuck did they need a child i mean why not use a radio to broadcast that signal over the 456 frequency.


Also a note did anyone else notice that gwen was using a sonic screw driver to black out the cameras?

Wasn't a sonic screw driver. And anyway, they are pretty common if you know were to get one, if you think about it. A few people in Dr who have had them as well.

Looked like one but wasn't.

Ah ok my bad then lol. When i seen her pull it out i was like wtf when did she get a sonic screw driver.

hehe

I have to disagree. I think Jack's action of using his grandson makes him far more human than those who were willing to sacrifice millions of kids but save their own children and their own hides. They were far more worried about their political futures than whether the human race knew the truth.

Using his grandson also drives home his sense of fairmindedness. He and his kin are no more immune to the tragedies related to his work than anyone else. I think it makes him a far more powerful hero and character.

I can't wait for the episode where Captain Jack teams up with the Doctor's cloned daughter (...remember?)!

Fifth Gear episode where Barrowman crashes a rallycar

Torchwood star escapes serious injury

Monday, 20 July 2009

John Barrowman was left with cuts and bruises after an 80mph car crash.

The Torchwood star, 42, was taking part in a rally race in Powys, Wales, for Fifth Gear when he lost control of the £120,000 Subaru.

The vehicle flipped four times as it slipped down a verge and narrowly missed a lake.

John was taken to hospital after being treated by the roadside.

'I'm lucky to walk away unscathed,’ John tells the News Of The World. ‘I got a ticking off from my mum afterwards.'
The crash will air on Fifth Gear on Five tonight at 8pm.

Personally, I thought that this was the best Torchwood season so far. In pacing, it reminded me of the MI-5 episodes: especially the music and the editing.

And as far as Jack being "untrustworthy:" he started out a conman, what can you expect? And, the whole thing about sacrificing his grandkid at the end...what else was he supposed to do, let the world end? He had a no-win scenario. I think someone earlier said it very well: that Jack's sacrifice of his grandson was an altruistic act, whereas the gov't's attempt to sacrifice 10% of the children (without fighting back) was a selfish decision.

My only problem with this mini-season (which is what it was) was the actions of the baddie security-woman, in removing Torchwood from the picture. Sewing a bomb inside Jack?? Then, encasing him in concrete?? Where was this woman raised, in Turkmenistan?? She could just as easily have extroadinarily rendered him to some faraway prison...more economical, and a little more believable. While watching the episode, I kept asking myself...why was this woman being so draconian, to Jack? And what next (had they been able to keep him, or if he escaped from the concrete but was apprehended again)...cut him up into parts, atomize them and shoot them out into space? It was starting to get a bit over-the-top, IMO.

i thought the entire series was exceptional.

as for the jack sacrificing his own grandson, i felt that it was an awful, but real choice he had to make. i felt like davies did it to show the willingness of the "hero" to sacrifice, in contrast to the members of cobra/unit/military who all set down ground rules that their children and grandchildren would not be sacrificed in the culling.

the ending sent me scrambling for the forums b/c it felt like the complete ending of the series. i'm very glad that it looks like that won't be the case.

as for ppl bashing him for leaving his brother behind, that's just absurd. he was, by the choice of actors used in the flashback, at best, 10, maybe 12 years old. furthermore, he had no idea what happened to his brother, only assumed he was dead, and he clearly showed his heartbreak for that. but realize that this guy has travelled time and space, has lived for centuries (even millennia), and as ianto put it in, i think, the 2nd ep of this series, that he had barely scratched the surface of who jack was. at a certain point, you either have to deal with your sadness or go insane. there are probably those that argue that jack is insane. but i think that makes him all the more similar to the doctor. in series one of the new dr. who, in the second ep, the tree-woman talks to the doctor about the destruction of his people, for which he is responsible, and frankly, i think that both eccleston and barrowman used a similar acting method to great effect, to show how someone who is essentially ancient, deals with the world ending all around him.

(also, jack wasn't like 30+the 1800s. as captain john illuminated, he, jack, was a time agent, meaning that prior to his immortality, he still could travel though time and space. it was when he became immortal that the doctor called him 'a fixed point in space and time,' and i feel like jack has been trying to break those chains, and maybe that's what he's doing at the end of series 3. i wouldn't be sad if james marsters came back for series 4 ).

In what episode was he dumped back to ~1800? I remember Rose resurrecting him and making him a "fixed point in time" as The Doctor put it, but I don't remember him being sent back. Then again, I only really remember about 90% of the recent Doctor seasons.


in a random note, does anyone know where I can find episodes of the first 8 Doctors? My dad used to always make comments about them, but I haven't found any anywhere to watch

Also, here is an update (6 days past, but I haven't really had time to look for anything else).

http://www.tvsquad.com/2009/07/30/not-so-f...season-on-hold/