Initially I had found that the DIVX section only contained dvd rips (at worst vcd / vhs rips or screeners). This allowed me to firstly monitor what films have been released in a decent version (without using vcdq) and secondly make sure I only watch decent quality flicks. I just can't stand the presence of cams in the divx section - we have a quality encoding playing a horrible cam quality film. I realise that divx is a codec and has no bearing on whether the recorded material is just blank static (which is about what cams are to me), but why not just keep cams in the normal 'new release' section, rather than the 'divx new releases' section! Put a little label saying "divx" next to the file if its so important for some.

The problem is escalated by the fact that some of the titles do not contain a "CAM" label, and even when they do, once a dvdrip/screener is available, it still has the misleading "CAM" description. I say leave cams in the 'new releases' section rather than the 'divx new release' section.

Who agrees, why?
Who disagrees, why?

While I feel that cams are quite annoying, a good number of people can say that camera versions are very helpful. In other words, camera versions are for impatient people. =P

But, if we start removing them and putting them in other places, threads will have to be doubled and all the links would have to be checked over and over. It would require a great deal of effort. If it came down to the idea of seriously moving out cameras, I would suggest a new camera sub-forum in the DivX section. Yet, even then, the transfer process would be immense.

We do try to label the cams, and sometimes we have to wait for 2 or 3 months b4 a decent release. U just have to wait.

example - Watchmen hit the net about 3 months ago, maybe longer, a screener was released yesterday, the thread had 50,000+ hits b4 the screener.

i Have to agree with Uncle B. One persons trash is another persons treasure. All i ask is that posters keep us up to date with which is best current cam/rip/encode & i think we do a pretty good job of that....

What is strange to me is why non-divx sites are listed in the divx section? Megavideo, snt, and others I cannot think of are surely flash sites. Why are they considered divx?

i think when you use the divx player the original avi copy is downloaded and not the flash file.

yea i think it is cause it is the avi and it still plays in a divx player evenb if it is under megaupload (for example mr. browns qss uploader is a megaupload but plays or used to play in a divx player)

i vote for no cams in divx secton would be good if it was just left for hq links

I agree with the topic starter. No cams in the Divx section. I also agree with the idea of creating a seperate cam forum.
In a perfect world there would be no cams. It makes me crazy to see all those people posting about how great the quality of a cam is. While all I can see is some half shaped blobs at an 45 degree angle.
This makes me mad. And it reminds me of the time that I had a 32kbit connection and downloaded crap movies.

It seems this could be a topic of some debate. And while it would take some effort, I propose that we don't differentiate between divx and non divx. But that we rate movies at their quality rather than the codec, or the player.

So there would be a HD forum, a non HD but watchable forum, and a thrash section where people can watch blurry movies all they like.

I know it would entail a lot of work. But it would also save a lot of people a lot of irritation.

...as a divx mod i have to be leniant and patient whilst reading these posts...

...whilst i understand that everyone would love for only HD/top notch quality films to be posted in the divx section,you have to understand that some of us would rather watch a CAM copy than cough up money...

...if you are soo against a CAM copy -dont watch it and fuck off to the cinema...

...there is a huge difference between a flash cam and a divx cam...

i like the idea of a cam sub-forum. however, there are plenty of decent cams that are filtered. it's not worth the effort. if you see that, ONE MINUTE INTO THE MOVIE that it's a camera -- just turn it off. it's not rocket science. this isn't blockbuster for chrissakes, we're looking at movies while they're STILL IN THEATRES.

If you can come up with a way to get DVD copies of movies that are still playing at cinema's, upload them and help, instead of griping.

Babies..... i swear..

this really seems like a non issue to me. i have tried to watch the Cam versions a couple times but i just cant stand it. but it dosnt mean we should get rid of them. i dont like chihuahuas either but they shouldnt be banished to to one particular region. i also read a complaint about the cam's not being labeled cams. well i just use common sense in these cases. if transformers just came out friday and i see a link saturday well im just gonna go ahead and assume its a cam. after a few weeks it gets buried and in a few months i see it on the front page again. well i will then click and check the last post, im assuming its resurrection is due to a r5 or screener release. im mostly correct in my assumptions. but again this is a non issue because for the most part Cams are labeled and when a r5, screener or, dvd rip gets posted that will also be labeled. any exceptions i use the above mentioned common sense. i might not take advantage of the Cams but i still like the option. i just think we are getting a very great deal coming to this site, free movies, patient admin's,
friendly community. lets not ask for unnecessary extra work from those who have given us much more than we should expect. and in my case even deserve. (im a computard and dont know how to contribute)
well thats my 2 cents of free BS.

just to check, these cam copies that are being asked not to go into div x, they are in div x format right?

the div x section is for div x links right? then even if they are cams they are still div x? .......i think u see my point here lol

you know im begining to lose faith in this site i used to love sitting reading peoples comments, posts threads etc etc now all i seem to read is rude, obnoxious sometimes dam right stupid posts,

espeically about movie quality i no this has been said umpteen times b4 but the people taking the risk to go to the cinema and film a movie for us is taking very a big gamble, and to have some impatient little shitbag bemoan and slate thier work after is dam right rude and leads me to think manners are in very short supply around here!! im not tlaking about the odd post im talking almost every thread has anyone else not noticed this trend???

oops i went off course, the gall of some people still shocks me lol anyhoo back on topic.....


my point at the start was dont change something that isnt broken, if its div x then it should be in the div x section even if cam, and probably to uploaders maybe they could put its cam for those who can not be arsed to click a link and find out the quality. (yes it was a dig because its really not hard to click once and look at the quality is it)

plus the work for the mods in swapping and changing posts will be immense, LEAVE IT BE ITS FINE. (i think they have a very high number of links and posts to look after in various sections as it is)
plus belive it or not im sure the mods also have lives away from the internet SHOCKER!

(just a short note: this wasnt aimed at anyone here or the starter of this thread, just my all round observations of using this site)

dont forget websites need to be easy to read and navigate or people will go elsewhere, the more sub forums and sub threads that are started will just make things more confusing especially to less techinical minded users, the format now is great, u want div x u go to div x, u want new releases go to new releases, u want sport go to sport! theres a pattern here and its really simple isnt it, SOMETIMES fixing or changing things that are not broken or in need of change will spoil everything,.

i don't mind the cam versions as long as people label them correctly
there's nothing worse than streaming a movie for half an hour only to come back and find it's a cam
i personally never watch cam versions

lol u just proved my point why not press play at the start watch like 10 secs and get the quality y leave it half hour then go look at it....doesnt make sense does it??, i have the shittest connection on earth and div x only works occasionally but i still manage to have a look at the first few seconds to check quality to download if i choose....

im not having a pop at the previous poster, its just the content in his post was the point i was trying to make :0)

you know whats even less work? stating it's a cam copy from the get go
i didn't prove your point in the least as your point was about removing them completely from the divx section
maybe you should read my post again

Dont mind CAM copy but would be nice to have a designated directory to place them since there are some which are not labeled CAM.

and thats simply left up to the poster to give that information if they so choose to, since they cant be forced to do that.


some people are missing the point though. when they think divx, they think quality. divx isnt a "quality", its a format.

I've always had the idea to put just DVD quality movies in one area(No matter the year it was released or site host) and to have CAMS in another section altogether. This just seemed like the thread to throw this into. IMO I think that would clean up quite a few sections in the forums.

Smoke 'em if you got 'em.

I dont think cams should be removed only that some of us label them when posting. It is frustrating when you think your about to watch a good version when it turns out to be a cam. SNT has both flash and divx links and no ... megavideo links are not supposed to be posted in Divx though there is or used to be software you could run your megavideo links through and the output would be divx.

I do think that if a link is a cam and not stated as so that we should be able to report it and get *cam* added to the link. We used to get some decent watchable cams. It would be nice if we had someone from this community to get a decent recorder and learn how to record a proper cam that is watchable.

no no no my friend i feel its u thats not reading posts properly, where have i stated to remove them , if u had read my post properly i did say, that all should be left alone and people shouldnt be so lazy as not to check quality, so please go back and read my post properly next time. (so yeah u did prove my point when u said u hate goign back to something after half hour and finding it a cam when u could have checked it at the start)

i will state again from my first post, there is an easy to use forum here if people want div x they go to div, if they want new realeases they go there, if they want comedy they go there.... like i said b4 its an easy interface which is also easy to look after i would imagine, geeeez if people start adding more sub forums etc where will it end???? .

why do people insist on trying to fix and change things that are not broken, i have seen a few forums which have no where near lasted as long as QSS. why because they were to dam complicated and hard to use with so many forums and sub forums using them was like navigating ur way from the moon to the sun via venus!

just for good measure read below nightingales has a point! about cams.l






so u see if its div x format then regardless wether its a cam or not it shoud be in div x am i wrong??? it would be nice if posters would label for the lazybums out there who cannot click a button, but as nightingales says u cant force people.

agreed. DivX is a format standard. For high compression and high quality. People can take shitty quality cams they shot with there hand cam, re-encode them from quicktime to DivX, and it will still look like shit; but its still DivX. High Resolution is not always determined by the way it was compressed. Also DVD-quality does not always mean High-Res. Ive seen horrible DVD prints on some movies. Maybe you need a "High-Res" flag to put on all high quality files.

i never said anywhere that you argued FOR the removal of cams from the divx section
i simply said your point was ABOUT the removal of cams from the divx section
or is that not the case?

my point was about labelling the copy correctly from the get go
it's maybe 1 second of additional work for the poster to add "CAM" to their topic title hower it saves dozens.. mabye hundreds.. of people the hassle of having to check (and likely dig through dead links in the process) when they simply don't like to watch shaky cam copies
so where did i prove your point again?

anywho
i think megaupload links (and megavideo links tho i try to avoid those when i can) should stay as quite a few of those links actually use a divx codec afaik
also the quality and streaming speed are decent (sometimes better than on most other sites) and if those 2 criteria aren't the point of having a seperate divx section what is?

the point u proved was not checking, and leaving it half hour to stream going back to it and finding it a cam (which i have done many times but have now learned to check), i realise it is frustrating but like nightingales said u cant force people to label them cams. or perhaps the powers that be could make this a rule when posting to add wether it is a cam or not would this solve the issue???

i liked ur last point though less techinicly minded people may get confused so the current format of div x links going in a div x section is bang on,

i must stress i am in no way being derogitry to ur point of view :0)

its an old cliche the more complicated u make things the more people lose interest if u get what i mean.

No matter whether a movie is in pristine quality or on a shakily held cam there is no doubt that it will look better in DIVX format than it will in Flash. It's called the DIVX section and not High Quality Only section, therefore anything that is in that format should be in there in my opinion.

As for people not labeling movies as Cams... I hardly ever come across a thread where it isnt either stated in the title or the orginal post. On the few occasions that it is not then a quick scroll down the page usually lets you know if it's a cam or not as almost all the titles in people's posts are along the lines off QSSrocksyerpopsocks.avi.Devise-CAM etc etc. Even if the first post does say Cam in it then scrolling down the page straight away is the sensible thing to do anyway, if you don't do this then chances are that you've missed out on lots of Screener copies and DVDRips that have been posted at later dates.

Oh and instead of being in the mind set of - I shouldn't need to check a few seconds of the movie for quality, they should have posted it in the title - stop and think if uploaders and link hunters decided they can't be bothered to post what kind of quality it is full stop and let you check every single movie yourself... be grateful that they almost always do

lol @ so many people not knowing what divx means

I have no idea why people are taking offense. My simple point is that it is harder to monitor which new films have been released in high quality because of the presence of cams in the same section. I have nothing against cam copies, or the hard working folk that go to cinemas and record them, or the folk who enjoy watching cams rather than going to the cinema. It has nothing to do with all that rubbish some of you lads have posted; even though its not blockbuster, there are plenty of decent quality pre-releases available nowadays, from r5, workprints, telecines, screeners - so its not too far fetched for a person to avoid cams, yet not watch the flick in the cinema. This discussion is simply about monitoring the release of high quality flicks on QSS (without having to monitor banned and then 'search' qss). Not all thread titles get updated highlighting the fact that a screener/r5/dvdrip has been released, and as a result some threads titles say 'cam' but contain high quality links. There's the second issue that some threads don't mention cam, yet contain cam quality movie. Its not about being ungrateful, its simply about better organising things.

I agree with the solution that cams should get their own dedicated section - it doesn't even have to be backdated and left for future releases and threads. I dont think theres much harm in having two threads for the same film, one for its cam release, and one for its hq release.

Finally, its quite clear that divx is a codec, the first post quite explicitly mentions that... I don't think many were confused about that, nor is that the topic of discussion.

Everything is fine just the way it is. Thank you.

You're welcome.

within this post you have pretty much shown that you dont know what divx is, cams belong in the divx section if its a cam uploaded in divx. end of story. This shouldn't even be the first place you check for releases, check vcdquality first to determine how the movie has been released.

I don't know if you're slow or something but a tip would be for you to re-read the relevant posts. No one is disputing that cams can be uploaded in divx format, in fact as i said in the Original post, even blank static can be uploaded in divx. Vcdq/banned are good and well, but then one has to search the forums and then filter the videos that are cams etc to find the decent quality release. The purpose of this thread was to get some discussion and opinions and ideas on the possibility of eliminating those steps. When you repeat information that is already in the orignial post, you look daft- everything needn't be an argument.

If the movie just came out in theater's. . how the hell do you expect there to be a DVDRip in the first few days or even weeks? Movies don't even release on DVD till a few months later. Have some common sense and know that if it just came out and your trying to view it, even if it doesn't say cam. . it probably is. And like one guy said. . I've hardly ever come across a link post that is not labeled as cam if it is a cam. Damn noobs! But a cam section wouldn't be a bad idea but it would honestly be alot of work there would have to be someone to index and everything.