fantastic buy, i think it is about 3m over the top at 17m but you have to over pay for english players these days. was the best right back in the league season and was in the pfa team of the year. very good going forward and decent at the back, will complement kuyt brilliantly. this for me marks a big improve on our creativity side from the right. i believe liverpool are still owed about 6m from the crouch deal so that will be taken off the johnson fee and we will end up paying about 10m for him

what a joke hes not worth 10 mill imo let alone 17/18

not the best right back in the country and gets turned easily....anyone who has watched him play for England will know this.
with someone whoworks as hard a Kuyt it may be what he needs..............17mill???? not worth it and if Liverpool are righting off the 6/7mill owed from portsmouth well is that good business? not to me

£17/18m is a complete joke.

He is the best England has to offer though... that's not saying much lol.

Prefer m richards there, but he's been turned into a centre back.

dont you think he has got very muscle bound? and as a result has lost some speed from his game.

used to think ...yep quality and fast as anything but last year he looked laborious

He has bulked up a bit unfortunately, i still think he could swing it back and do a solid job at right back though. I don't think he's as good at centre back as he was at right back (when he was a bit more trim). Yeah there were times when he looked to be struggling last season but i think a lot of that was moral and general motivational levels at city.

Glen Johnson is worth about £10m max IMO

A players value is whatever his worth to the buying team in todays market,was Alves worth £30m+ no,Ronaldo £80m no,Berbatov lol,Carrick bought for £2m then sold to United for £16m less than 12 months later you get my point.

That said the total package will be around £17.5m including add ons which will be based on appearances,trophies and England caps,i couldn't give a flying about the last one but i'll be more than happy if we end up paying the full fee.

That's if we sign him at all,hopefully Chelsea follow through with their interest in Crouch so we'll have a couple of million extra coming our way from that deal.

is glen johnson the guy who played for chelsie a few years ago?

Yeah they sold him for £4m then paid 16.5m for Bosingwa,Anchelotti came and immediately decided he wanted Johnson back at Chelsea.

johnson is going to be a brilliant buy

Bet you said the same about Keane.

chelsea interested in crouch? first time i've heard that. that'll never happen

Carlo has always been an admirer,it was mooted just after he came but has gone quiet the past couple of weeks.

Spurs could always do with ANOTHER striker

i can see harry redknapp maybe buyin crouch but carlo ancelotti, no.

where do spurs get all thier cash? they always seem to spend a ton

You say that but both Ac/Inter and Juve made contact when we were selling but Crouch didn't even want to listen.

You claim lol for berbatov...yet people are talking the same amount of cash for tevez who was a lot worse this year. Berbatov was our leading assist man. People who know nothing about football thought he was bought just to score goals...nistlerooy style. He's quality, sheer class with the ball at his feet. Glen Johnson isnt worth 17m in any market.

hehehe...........well said.

let them spend all their cash on over-rated players.

Berba is quality and anyone who cant see that is blind.............a modern day Teddy only better, as he joined United long before Teddy should have(and he would prob have wished he had as well)

A nice 13 mil profit for Pompey, way too much in my opinion, decent player no doubt, not worth that tho.

Dudes, the fastest people on earth are usually bulked up. Being muscular actually aids sprinters, but hinders middle/long distance runners. If he's lost pace it's not because he's gained half a stone/stone of muscle.






Berba is quality yes, but he doesn't suit Manchester United. Fergie's teams have always been built on hard work. From Cantona, to Giggs, from Beckham to Irwin and even Sheringham put in a shift. All Berba does is what Veron did and that's slow our fast diect attacking down. Don't give a shit about his assits or whatever, the guy's just way too slow and dilly dallys. He's so important to Untied, he was dropped for a champions league final, yet due to his style of play, he's actually more suited to the European game then the premier league. Just like Veron, he'd rock the Italian league.

They won't admit that to me mate to do that they would have to admit Fergie dropped a bollock signing him,to Fergies credit i reckon he'd move him on and cut his losses for just over £20m.

Johnsons a good player, will be happy to get him, the price being touted is steep and I doubt its quite as high as the £18 million suggested but I won't be surprised if its around £15 million. End of the day England international players in this country come with a hell of a premium on them, I can hardly think of any regulars in the side that went for anything near what might be considered as their true value.

Arbeloa has been struggling with injuries at times and if the rumors are true about him being wanted back in spain for around £8 million then its a decent offset on the possible spend, Dossena could go too and we look like we could recoup our money for him, the two combined if true would equate to around the value of Johnsons transfer, so at the end of the day if its Dossena and Arbeloa out and Johnson in for a net spend of near enough nothing then that works fine for me

That's usually your job, what with Nani, Anderson and so on... least we cut our losses with Keane and admitted the bad signing before his price dropped dramatically

I do admit the price is way over my value of the player, but he is a decent player, better then Arbeloa also, but looking back at last season.. we don't need to strenthen our defense, it was solid enough. We need to kick N'gog out of the team and get at least some average cover for Torres, as he is a tier 3 striker from what I've seen of him.. Rafa is kidding himself thinking he's got potential.

I'm not a big fan of Riera either, we need that left wing sorted out, maybe Ryan in a few seasons, loan him back to Ajax to get some games under his belt.. now he has potential.

Ryan Babel has always been a forwars until liverpool got there hands on him...a bloody good one too. He should be used as your cover for Torres.

And he always played on the left just as he has for us,his problem last season started when he knackered his ankle before the Euros came back for treatment and then fooked off to the Olympics against the Clubs best wishes,i'd give him another season with a full pre in his pocket before making judgement but that's down to Rafa and just how pissed off he was with him last summer.

He used to be a centre forward, with a lot of potential. He has played on the left occasionally when needed, but only when needed when he was in Holland.

He played on the left hand side for Ajax and also on the left when he played for the National side he only occasionally played CF when playing for the youngsters,he sees himself as a CF but that doesn't alter the FACT that he has rarely played there during his professional career,but apart from that you are spot on with everything you said

should be confirmed within the next 48 hours

http://store.liverpoolfc.tv/products/footb...-0910/pid-28328

go to personalise and his name is there TBC.

still second guessing Fergie lads..................sad.




when your own teams start winning/dominating....................come back ok


jokers...i have more time for the gooners in the league.....at least they have won it and pushed us



scousers have had a go twice and failed.........congratulations..........shit Chelski had had more success than Liverpool,yet all you can bemoan is United.



Roll on august.

get on it lads............gonna be a rush



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Funny how we try to have a decent conversation and this spastic comes in and starts with the all high and mighty. Yes we will question SAF's signings as some have been shit.. countless managers have made shit signings... do you honestly think he hasn't made a shit signing? Do you honestly think Anderson, Nani, Veron and Berbatov were worth their price tag? Get a grip for fucks sake.

Almost every football pundit has called Berbatov's signing the worst this season.. well, I lie... David Bentley has a good say in the argument.

get a grip.....we have threads about how gay United players look/were and i have a pop at your possible shirt sales and its a fucking spastic jibe.

talk about high and mighty.

i dont give a toss what any pundit,reporter or forum member says to be fair because
Fergies record speaks volumes to me.

keep living in your dream world ladies.

United players kind of bring it on themselves walking around dressed like woman... whatever floats your boat at the end of the day, I have nothing against gays anyways so.. I couldn't give two fucks if they walked across the Mersey wearing only a thong.

I never said anything and I couldn't care less about our shirt sales either... it's ugly and I never buy the away strips anyways. I'm just bemused at you thinking signings such as Veron, Nani, Anderson and Berbatov were good deals, claiming SAF's success down the years is a counter to the logic, which is retarded.

Dunno what the fuck "Living in our dream world" means.. if anything you're contradicting yourself to the neutral forum browser in saying these sales were just.

2 kids in Anderson and Nani............Nani prob wont cut it(you guys could do with a winger-Pennent sure as hell is/was not as good as Nani),Anderson will make it.
If you think Berbatov at £30mill is bad business and Johnson at £18 is good your deluded
As for Veron he was a quality player and was attracting buyers the world over and was an international....so we gambled and he didnt come off.
I personally didnt think he was that bad,quality in Europe i felt just the English game seemed to "quick" for him.


are you really suggesting Rafas dabblings in the transfer market are above reproach?

thought we ALL agreed to stop this stupid arguments. not having a go at one particular person but lets make a truce to stop running our gobs till start of the season

Rafa has spent £80m net and he's totally transformed the whole club top to bottom Kwack,he's had to do this by getting rid of the squad he inherited only 3 players who lifted the EC are still at the club & trading up each time because he has not had the money to buy his 1st choices (either because of lack of funds or because of that twat Parry) has he bought a couple of duffers Yeah but he's always shifted them on quick smart either for more than he paid or a swap for a better player who he then shifted on for a much bigger profit.

When taking into consideration what he's had to work with then IMO Rafa has/is doing a wonderfull job,you lot paid way over the top for Carrick for one reason only and that wasa because Fergie knew he was exactly whatyou needed,the same can be said for Johnson and us,we'll only have to put £5m down for him with the £7m coming off for Crouch and maybe a couple more million gauranteed with the extra being to add ons which i am sure Rafa is hoping he ends up paying.

Johnson and Kuyt down out right would IMO be a perfect combo it'll also be the fittest right hand side in world football.

pompey accept chelsea johnson bid http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_5388201,00.html

Great news IMO because it'll prove if he's all about the money or not,he's gonna look like a right twat if he goes back to Chelsea after what he had to say about the club when he left.

agreed i still think 17mill is too much aswel

Bosingwa cost Chelsea £16.5m and ofcourse you have the good old English player tax so in todays market it's about right besides it's not like we're going to be paying it all in one shot so it's not going to take much out of our summer fund.

How much is a player worth if he takes the team to another level ?

Two kids who cost way over the odds... and lol at comparing SAF's fail transfers to ours.. it's basically admitting defeat, well done.

Berbatov at £30m was terrible business.. again, lol at comparing transfers. If you actually read the thread you would know I said Glen Johnson's price is way over what he is worth, and I actually wish Chelsea sign him. Veron was possibly one of the worst buys in the history of the EPL, every sports column that covers the worst buys have him in the top 10... go figure.

This retarded argument started with you shouting we were questioning SAF's transfers.. yes we will, as he has made some poor buys, which I have named above. Not once did I say Rafa hadn't made a shit signing as every manager in football has made a flop buy.. it's just bemusing that you actually think SAF hasn't, and continue to compare his worst buys with Liverpool.. it's admitting defeat.

Benitez has signed one 3 good players.
How many players has benitez bought like solskjaer and schmichael and kanchelskis who nobody had heard of that went on to become superstars. Everyone forgets his good signings. Yes Veron was shit in the english league...but Ferguson cant be blamed for that i dont think, at the time we signed him he was one of the best players in the world. It would be like united signing someone with the reputation of Kaka now and him flopping...not the managers fault i dont think. Shevchenko looked like a good signing...

I do agree that he paid over the odds for nani and anderson, but i still dont agree with the berbatov thing. If tevez played 29, scored 5 and only set up 3 and is worth 25million...

Pennant, dossena, keane, arbeloa, riera, N'gog, pellegrino, gonzalez, lucas, josemi, morientes, kromkamp, nunez, voronin, itandje, sissoko, barragan, babel.

I'll answer that with this again.

Rafa has spent £80m net and he's totally transformed the whole club top to bottom,he's had to do this by getting rid of the squad he inherited only 3 players who lifted the EC are still at the club & trading up each time because he has not had the money to buy his 1st choices (either because of lack of funds or because of that twat Parry) has he bought a couple of duffers Yeah but he's always shifted them on quick smart either for more than he paid or a swap for a better player who he then shifted on for a much bigger profit.


Pellegrino was brought in for one reason only (on a free) and that was to drill the defenders in the art of Zonal marking,arbeloa is quality (just ask Messi) Morientes was brought because Berbatov was refused permission to leave us because of the EC draw,Lucas won player of the season in Brazil so lets not judge him yet,Keane was shipped straight back out (thanks Parry) but like i said Rafa has had to build up with the little money he has had and the overall poor quality of the squad he inherrited.

Rafa has worked wonders but i wouldn't expect a United fan who thinks he's only signed 3 good players to understand or admit that.

I gave you a list of 18 poor signings there, you only accounted for a few. Are yuo telling me you dont think rafa makes bad signings? Thats 18 in how many seasons? Can you pick 18 bad signings that fergie has made in the same amount of time? Inheriting a shite squad is simply not an excuse for signing bad players.

What.. he's only signed 3 good players? Torres, Xabi Alonso, Daniel Agger, Martin Skrtel, Emiliano Insua, Javier Mascherano, Pepe Reina, Dirk Kuyt, Peter Crouch are names that come to mind.

As for your list - Dossena, Riera, Sissoko and Babel are actually good players... not world class quality by any means, but good players who have did there but in their spell at the club. The only reason Sissoko left was due to Masch's form.. I would have liked to have kept him, however we also made a profit on the transfer. Oh yeah, you actually put players we got for free on a flop list? Hmm, way to go..

Anyhoo, time to name SAF's flops/overpriced players down the years shall I? I'm pretty sure the total net spend on these transfers will put those you mentioned of Liverpool to shame.

Note- none of these are free transfers, lol.

Demitar Berbatov £30,750,000
Nani £13,500,000
Anderson £15,000,000
Owen Hargreaves £17,000,000 (Seriously.. lol)
Michael Carrick £18,600,000
Louis Saha £12,820,000
Diego Forlan £7,500,000
Eric Djemba-Djemba £3,500,000
David Bellion £2,000,000
Dong £500,000
Kleberson £5,930,000
Juan Veron £28,100,000
Massimo Taibi £4,500,000 (LMFAO)
Jesper Blomqvist £4,400,000
Tim Howard £2,300,000
Jonathan Greening £750,000
Florent N'Galula £500,000

Hmm..

You mention good players but not world class, well anderson, nani, hargreaves. You think Carrick is a flop? And do you really want to discuss net spend after we just made 68million from one player?

http://transferleague.co.uk/

Torres, Mascherano, Alonso and Reina are world class players tbh, and I seriously think if someone put an £80m bid in for Torres we would snatch their hands off also. As for Carrick he is a decent player, not in a million years worth his price tag though, hence naming him in my flop/overpriced list... look at that Barcelona game last month, he was like a school boy chasing shadows and he couldn't complete a pass :/

Yes Rafa has spent more then SAF since he's been in charge, and look what he has done to Liverpool in that time. We were a UEFA Cup team, and he crowned us European Champions and took us to another final. I think we finished 5th with Gerard before we parted ways with him.. he transformed Liverpool into genuine title contenders. That's progress for me, we are getting stronger every season, shortening the gap of quality between ourselves and United to four points.

lame discussion because every team have bad signings including liverpool.Just from the top of my head i can remember cisse, el diof, salif diao, dossena,babel, morrientes,milan baros,ziegler,erik meijer,nunez ,pelligrino and of course robbie keane...

4 of those mentioned weren't Rafa's signings but, okay...





I've said it was a retarded argument since the first time kwacka responded, saying how we shouldn't discuss SAF's bad transfers because he's some sort of god.. fuck that for a laugh. He has made bad signings, more so then Rafa if the price tag is a factor.

Note - I've always said EVERY MANAGER makes poor signings, yet you still lark on about Rafa's transfer dealings when it isn't even up for discussion - that's what I call denial.