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hitmewitdarock
i think we need a place to discuss who is moving where and get some of your thoughts on who will be the better players this year...
i know it will be fun for me since i am still learning the finer points of the game and we also need a good primer for the next qss fantasy premier league...

transfers and such and who do you think will score well... who will get to play more... who is the biggest cant now that ronaldo is gone... yadda yadda yadda...

QSS FOOTIE ROCKS!!!


movieman
biggest twat is definately drogba biggrin.gif
hitmewitdarock
QUOTE(movieman @ Jun 15 2009, 07:23 AM) *
biggest twat is definately drogba biggrin.gif


yes... he is such a twat... my vote too...


Tams
Thought I make a topic rather then keep making new ones..

QUOTE
SKYSPORTS.COM

Liverpool have completed the signing of 15-year-old Jesus Joaquin Fernandez from Cadiz, according to one Spanish newspaper.

The Reds are said to have beaten off competition from Barcelona, Real Madrid, Sevilla and Villarreal for the midfielder's services.

After a significant amount of time negotiating the deal the player's family have finally accepted Liverpool's offer.

Cadiz, currently in Spain's second division, are also said to be happy with the transfer after they were handsomely rewarded in terms of compensation.

The youngster is thought to have signed a five-year contract on Merseyside, according to the newspaper Diario de Cadiz.

The teenage sensation is a left-footed player and is thought to possess an innate footballing brain.
kwacka
"inate" nice.

is this the same as United taking Mancheda from Lazio?
as he is under some euro law about giving a contract to someone under 16/18
Skamp
QUOTE(kwacka @ Jun 21 2009, 09:14 PM) *
"inate" nice.

is this the same as United taking Mancheda from Lazio?
as he is under some euro law about giving a contract to someone under 16/18



First i've heard of it and i trust Sky about as much as i trust gypos with groudwork but if it is true then yeah it'll be the same as you did with Mancheda his old man will have to come over and get a job local.

The USA were 200-1 to go through before Ko.
trifke
QUOTE(Skamp @ Jun 21 2009, 09:19 PM) *
The USA were 200-1 to go through before Ko.


...i cant believe they puled it off,last night one of the comentators from the spain v S.A game (bbc3) said he will eat his hat if the US go through...
Skamp
QUOTE(trifke @ Jun 21 2009, 09:31 PM) *
...i cant believe they puled it off,last night one of the comentators from the spain v S.A game (bbc3) said he will eat his hat if the US go through...


I would've thrown a tenner at that if i'd seen it,Brazil were always gonna spank the Italians but i expected the Egyptians to atleast get the draw they needed.

Always the way though aint it.
Amar
just pray we get the top wide/am player we need for that extra bit of quality
Tams
I've just noticed their is a pinned topic for this haha.. never mind xD
Skamp
QUOTE(Amar @ Jun 21 2009, 10:16 PM) *
just pray we get the top wide/am player we need for that extra bit of quality


Riera will have a blinding season now he's settled in and can get a full pre season under his belt as will Babel if we don't cash in on him so where do you want this wAm to play ?
Amar
QUOTE(Skamp @ Jun 22 2009, 12:45 PM) *
Riera will have a blinding season now he's settled in and can get a full pre season under his belt as will Babel if we don't cash in on him so where do you want this wAm to play ?


use babel as a back up striker, he really was awful last season. can you really put enough faith in him in a first 11. i think he has great potential but we do need someone with extra quality on the wings who is quick, direct and can go past players with ease. i suppose that is why rafa enquired about silva. with torres likely to be out for around 6 weeks per season and benayoun a back up for gerrards role, we do need a top top wide player

our problem has been enough chances against teams who park the bus, i think johnson is going to help a lot with his crossing ability to help us create more but we do need that extra bit of quality from the wings
Skamp
You didn't answer my question.
Amar
on the left with reira as back up
Tams
I'm not a fan of Riera at all if I'm honest.. he just looks like the player he was at Everton, very rare if there is an end product.

Reports say we are interested in Nicolas Lodeiro and Ezequiel Lavezzi, the latter who can play on either wing, but is a forward by trade.

As for the Johnson deal - I hope Chelsea sign him. £17m is way overpriced and he won't boost our defensive capabilities that much.

If I were manager I'd pick out Edinson Cavani as a possible signing. His talent is amazing and would be great alongside Nando. Give it a few years, he'll be at Real/Barcelona.
Skamp
QUOTE(Tams @ Jun 22 2009, 04:54 PM) *
I'm not a fan of Riera at all if I'm honest.. he just looks like the player he was at Everton, very rare if there is an end product.



??????
Amar
pretty sure he means city
Tams
City, rather smile.gif

I was reading Sky Sports story on how they failed to sign Steven Defour while typing, who we are also reportedly interested in signing.

Santa Cruz passes City medical also.
Amar
liverpool confirm they have reached an agreement with johnson and pompey over the transfer

good buy, time for the wide player now
Tams
Way over priced... it also means I can't laugh at United paying for their overpriced stars too. Shame.

Ah well, 2nd next season again lads.. we won't get a class player with the money we have left over.
movieman
FUCK
Skamp
QUOTE(Tams @ Jun 22 2009, 06:33 PM) *
Way over priced... it also means I can't laugh at United paying for their overpriced stars too. Shame.

Ah well, 2nd next season again lads.. we won't get a class player with the money we have left over.


Get a grip of youself ffs,Johnston and Kuyt on the right hand side will be immense there won't be a fitter paring in the country,Johnston will overlap allowing Dirk to push into the middle,our midfiled are experts at filling gaps as for the money £5m down payment -£7m they owe us and the rest spread over the contract dependent on apperances,trophies and league etc.

Rafa has stated that he feels we need 2 right(not right hand side) players to take us to the next level and he sees Johnston as one of them.

Would you rarther Rafa missed out on his 1st choice yet again ?

I'm buzzing at the signing.

Chelsea have spent over £40m trying to get the right back sorted and they were in for Johnston which would've taken it close to £60m,Rafa feels he's got the right man so what price success ?
Tams
I have a grip on myself thanks, I'm living in the real world, as is almost everyone of my mates who are thinking the price tag is way over the top. It's still £17 million whatever way you look at it also. Do you honestly think he's worth £17m? Do you think we even need to strengthen our defense based on last seasons performances? I for one don't. I'm yet to hear a single person I know, Liverpool or neutral alike, to say he's worth that kind of money, if anything, you get a grip of yourself.

That's basically £17m spent on a position that doesn't need strengthening, in place of a back up striker, which proved last season we needed above anything. What are we gonna do when Torres gets injured again, which he will, there is no doubt about that. Sure we can rely on Gerrard to carry us again, but why would anyone want that when we had millions to get a back up striker, or even a strike partner for Torres?

It seems people are way to biased towards their own teams on these boards.. way too biased.

Chelsea/Man Utd scrap for the EPL unless we get some cover for Torres. Either that or N'gog suddenly becomes a half decent player.
Skamp
Alvaro only has one yr left on his contract and wants to finish his career back home so yeah we needed a right back.

Johnston has been consitently the best attacking RB in the country (best league in the world) for the past 2 years in a shite side,he's proven Prem experience so won't have to settle and will complement Kuyt perfectly so yeah he's worth every penny of whatever we end up paying.

Right back is a posistion we've needed to fill since Babbel and now it's filled.
You're complaning and yet we're not even into July yet,chill ya boots and wait n see.

Buzzing.
movieman
big fish in a small pond imo he was nothing at chelsea

i hope he does well but just dont see it
Tams
Arbeloa has been ever present for us since he arrived, as was Finnan when he was here for what kind a club we were back then, so I don't know where your Babbel comment came from... almost every position in the squad needed replaced at that time.

No right back in the EPL is worth that kind of money.. there is none that stands out above the rest. If there is any right back I would bring in for that kind of money, he wouldn't come from the EPL, but the Ukrainian league. I'm sure you know who I mean.. he is exceptional and I don't see any RB out there that rival his talents.

He's a good player - Better then Arbeloa - but it's not a position I would inject £17m into.

Edit - What movieman says, basically.
Skamp
QUOTE(movieman @ Jun 22 2009, 08:00 PM) *
big fish in a small pond imo he was nothing at chelsea

i hope he does well but just dont see it



End of the day MM he's chosen us over money,not that coming to us will put him in the poorhouse like.
movieman
QUOTE(Skamp @ Jun 22 2009, 08:05 PM) *
End of the day MM he's chosen us over money,not that coming to us will put him in the poorhouse like.


very true and fair play to him

but i dont think hes worth 17 mill but i sure as hell hope to be proved wrong

and as he is a red he will have my backing 110%
Tams
Our line up next year-

Reina/Cav
Johnson/Degan Carragher Agger/Skrtel Insua/Aurelio
Kuyt/El Zhar Mascherano Xabi Alonso/Lucas Riera/Babel
Gerrard/Yossi
Torres/N'gog


Considering Arbeloa will leave now, along with Dossena who Juve will get, Vononin to Germany, and hoping to god Masch doesn't go to Barcelona and Xabi stays put, I don't see that much of an improvement to our side from last season. We have zero funds now from what I make of our financial state, so I can't see anyone else coming in.

I'm actually hoping we sign Michael Owen now.. maybe the 10 games he can contribute to a season will be when Torres is out with an injury... nah, impossible.
Skamp
QUOTE(Tams @ Jun 22 2009, 08:14 PM) *
Our line up next year-

Reina/Cav
Johnson/Degan Carragher Agger/Skrtel Insua/Aurelio
Kuyt/El Zhar Mascherano Xabi Alonso/Lucas Riera/Babel
Gerrard/Yossi
Torres/N'gog


Considering Arbeloa will leave now, along with Dossena who Juve will get, Vononin to Germany, and hoping to god Masch doesn't go to Barcelona and Xabi stays put, I don't see that much of an improvement to our side from last season. We have zero funds now from what I make of our financial state, so I can't see anyone else coming in.

I'm actually hoping we sign Michael Owen now.. maybe the 10 games he can contribute to a season will be when Torres is out with an injury... nah, impossible.


If we don't sign anymore 1st team players before the season starts then the mods can change my name to Loves a Good T-bagging

Rafa had a £20m pot plus player sales plus money from the Robbie Keane saga,so far he's spent £5m down payment.

Rejoice that Rafa has gotten his 1st choice or 2nd guess the man and live in misery. wink.gif

Who's watching the U21's v Germany ?

http://www.justin.tv/vip_euro_1
Tams
You seriously think the yanks are gonna give him cash to fund another big name transfer you have another thing coming tbh.

I understand Man Utd fans in a way when they say stuff like "Don't question SAF's decisions" for the success he has had at United.. it comes off kinda cheesy when a fellow Liverpool fan says it, especially with our past signings... couldn't help but laugh emoticon-0136-giggle.gif
Skamp
QUOTE(Tams @ Jun 22 2009, 08:30 PM) *
You seriously think the yanks are gonna give him cash to fund another big name transfer you have another thing coming tbh.

I understand Man Utd fans in a way when they say stuff like "Don't question SAF's decisions" for the success he has had at United.. it comes off kinda cheesy when a fellow Liverpool fan says it, especially with our past signings... couldn't help but laugh emoticon-0136-giggle.gif


I think you don't understand the job Rafa has been doing with the money he's had to spend,you can giggle all you like mate but i trust the bloke 100%

You like me have not got a clue how much Rafa has to spend but if you think he's spent all of his budget on the one player then you're deluded.
tombeast
QUOTE(Skamp @ Jun 22 2009, 08:34 PM) *
I think you don't understand the job Rafa has been doing with the money he's had to spend,you can giggle all you like mate but i trust the bloke 100%

You like me have not got a clue how much Rafa has to spend but if you think he's spent all of his budget on the one player then you're deluded.


Fergusons net spend is less.
Arsene Wengers net spend is a hell of a lot less and he has had some domestic success.
Skamp
QUOTE(tombeast @ Jun 22 2009, 08:38 PM) *
Fergusons net spend is less.
Arsene Wengers net spend is a hell of a lot less and he has had some domestic success.


Wengers won feck all for 4 years man and he's built the club to where he wants it to be,Rafa is currently doing that.

Rafas net spend before today was just north of £80m not the 100 odd that stupid website claims.
tombeast
QUOTE(Skamp @ Jun 22 2009, 08:41 PM) *
Wengers won feck all for 4 years man and he's built the club to where he wants it to be,Rafa is currently doing that.

Rafas net spend before today was just north of £80m not the 100 odd that stupid website claims.


Maybe you can provide sources comparing net spends from sources that arent 'stupid'?
Arsenal won the premier league...therefore they have had more domestic success than you...just because you finish second last season it doesnt mean you are now suddenly a great domestic team. You won't be taken as seriously as Arsenal and chelsea until you've won the league.
Skamp
QUOTE(tombeast @ Jun 22 2009, 08:44 PM) *
Maybe you can provide sources comparing net spends from sources that arent 'stupid'?
Arsenal won the premier league...therefore they have had more domestic success than you...just because you finish second last season it doesnt mean you are now suddenly a great domestic team. You won't be taken as seriously as Arsenal and chelsea until you've won the league.


I'll find the list tomorrow after the u21s but one price i can remember was they have Torres down as £26m when he cost us £20.3m that's just one but it adds £5.3m to his net,they also add Cisse but Cisse was bought before Rafa joined,he was Geds signing but we've been run like such a joke for so long that Parry pushed it through even though they must have known Ged was getting the boot.

To be honest with you i don't care how much Rafa spends all i want is for him to get his 1st choices.
movieman
QUOTE(tombeast @ Jun 22 2009, 08:44 PM) *
You won't be taken as seriously as Arsenal and chelsea until you've won the league.

that shall be your downfall tongue.gif
tombeast
QUOTE(movieman @ Jun 22 2009, 09:33 PM) *
that shall be your downfall tongue.gif


haha, it could well be. Although i trust fergie to not make mistakes like that.
Tams
QUOTE(Skamp @ Jun 22 2009, 08:34 PM) *
I think you don't understand the job Rafa has been doing with the money he's had to spend,you can giggle all you like mate but i trust the bloke 100%

Seriously? ZzzZzzZZzzzZZzzz.

Rafa has spend way more cash then SAF in Rafa's time in charge, no doubt about it. What he has done to close the gap is fantastic, taking us from a UEFA Cup Squad to title challengers, but saying he hasn't had much to spend is bemusing.

You may be right about our cash coming in by the way, as Mascherano is off to Barcelona this summer. Huge loss for us, losing a key player. We should get £30m tbh... throw in a bid to bring Momo Sissoko back, Rafa! xD
Skamp
QUOTE(Tams @ Jun 23 2009, 09:23 AM) *
Seriously? ZzzZzzZZzzzZZzzz.

Rafa has spend way more cash then SAF in Rafa's time in charge, no doubt about it. What he has done to close the gap is fantastic, taking us from a UEFA Cup Squad to title challengers, but saying he hasn't had much to spend is bemusing.

You may be right about our cash coming in by the way, as Mascherano is off to Barcelona this summer. Huge loss for us, losing a key player. We should get £30m tbh... throw in a bid to bring Momo Sissoko back, Rafa! xD


http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/foo...et=0&page=1

The Benitez years: his transfers in full

Total gross spend: £192.609m

Total recouped: £109.51m

Total net spend: £83.099m

Players signed: 70

Players sold or let go: 72

2004

IN (4)

Xabi Alonso (Real Sociedad, £10.5m); Luis Garcia (Barcelona, £6m); Josemi (Malaga, £2m); Antonio Nunez (Real Madrid, free).

OUT (3)

Michael Owen (Real Madrid, £8m); Danny Murphy (Charlton Athletic, £2.5m); Markus Babbel (VfB Stuttgart, free).

Spent £18.5m; Recouped £10.5m; Net Spend £8m

2005

IN (14)

Peter Crouch (Southampton, £7m); Fernando Morientes (Real Madrid, £6.3m); Jose Manuel Reina (Villarreal, £6m); Mohamed Sissoko (Valencia, £5.6m); Mark Gonzalez (Albacete, £3.5m); Scott Carson (Leeds United, £750,000); Antonio Barragan (Seville, £240,000); Besian Idrizaj (Linzer ASK, £190,000); Jack Hobbs (Lincoln City, £150,000); Mauricio Pellegrino (Valencia, free); Boudewijn Zenden (Middlesbrough, free); Godwin Antwi (Real Zaragoza, nominal); Ramon Calliste (Manchester United, free), Miki Roque (Llieda, nominal).

OUT (14)

Milan Baros (Aston Villa, £6.5m); El-Hadji Diouf (Bolton, £4.5m); Alou Diarra (Lens, £2m); Antonio Nunez (Celta Vigo, £2m); Igor Biscan (Panathinaikos, free); Stephane Henchoz (Celtic, free); Mauricio Pellegrino (Alaves, free); Vladimir Smicer (Bordeaux, free); Gregory Vignal (Portsmouth, free); Paul Harrison (Wolves, free); Jon Otsemobor (Rotherham United, free); Ritchie Partridge (Sheffield Wednesday, free); Mark Smyth (Accrington, free); Patrice Luzi (released).
Spent £29.73m; Recouped £15m; Net Spend £14.73m

2006

IN (11)

Dirk Kuyt (Feyenoord, £9m); Jermaine Pennant (Birmingham City, £6.7m); Craig Bellamy (Blackburn Rovers, £6m); Daniel Agger (Brondby, £5.8m); Gabriel Paletta (Banfield, £2m); Fabio Aurelio (Valencia, free); Nabil El Zhar (St Etienne, free); Robbie Fowler (Manchester City, free); Jan Kromkamp (Villarreal, free); Paul Anderson (Hull City, nominal); David Martin (MK Dons, nominal).

OUT (19)

Chris Kirkland (Wigan Athletic, £3.5m); Fernando Morientes (Valencia, £3.1m); Jan Kromkamp (PSV Eindhoven, £2m); Djimi Traore (Charlton Athletic, £2m); Antonio Barragan (Deportivo La Coruna, £680,000); Neil Mellor (Preston North End, £500,000); Dietmar Hamann (Manchester City via Bolton Wanderers, £400,000); Bruno Cheyrou (Rennes, free); Josemi (Villarreal, free); Ramon Calliste (Scunthorpe United, free); Robbie Foy (Scunthorpe United, free); Carl Medjani (Lorient, free); Conal Platt (Bournemouth, free); David Raven (Carlisle United, free); John Welsh (Hull City, free); Zak Whitbread (Millwall, free); Calum Woods (Dunfermline, free); Ryan Wilkie (released); Paul Willis (released).

Spent £29.5m; Recouped £12.18m; Net Spend £17.32m

2007



IN (26)

Fernando Torres (Atletico Madrid, £20.2m); Javier Mascherano (West Ham United, £18.6m); Ryan Babel (Ajax, £11.5m); Lucas Leiva (Gremio, £6m); Yossi Benayoun (West Ham United, £5m); Alvaro Arbeloa (Deportivo La Coruna, £2.6m); S Leto (Lanus, £1.85m); Mikel San Jose (Athletic Bilbao, £270,000); Krisztian Nemeth (MTK, £100,000); Dani Pacheco (Barcelona, £100,000); Alexander Kacaniklic (Helsingborgs, £75,000); Andriy Voronin (Bayer Leverkusen, free); Emiliano Insua (Boca Juniors, £1.3m); Charles Itandje (Lens, free); Damien Plessis (Lyons, free); Mikail Alexandrov (CSKA Sofia, nominal); Jordy Brouwer (Ajax, nominal); Gerardo Bruna (Real Madrid, nominal); Ryan Crowther (Stockport County, nominal); Francisco Manuel Duran (Malaga, nominal); Ronald Huth (Tacuary FC, nominal); Gary Mackay Steven (Ross County, nominal); Nikolay Mihaylov (Levski Sofia, nominal); Marvin Pourie (Borussia Dortmund, nominal); Andras Simon (MTK Hungaria, nominal); Danielle Padelli (Sampdoria, loan).

OUT (18)

Craig Bellamy (West Ham United, £7.5m); Djibril Cisse (Marseille, £6m); Mark Gonzalez (Real Betis, £4.2m); Luis Garcia (Atletico Madrid, £4m); Florent Sinama-Pongolle (Recreativo Huelva, £2.7m); Stephen Warnock (Blackburn Rovers, £1.5m); Darren Potter (Wolverhampton Wanderers, £250,000); Daniel O’Donnell (Crewe Alexandra, £100,000); Salif Diao (Stoke City, free); Jerzy Dudek (Real Madrid, free); Robbie Fowler (Cardiff City, free); Gabriel Paletta (Boca Juniors, free); Boudewijn Zenden (Marseille, free); David Mannix (Ham-Kam, free); Jay Smith (Stockport County, free); Francisco Manuel Duran (released); Dave Roberts (released); Daniele Padelli (Sampdoria, end of loan).

Spent £67.595m; Recouped £26.25; Net Spend £41.345m

2008

IN (14)

Robbie Keane (Tottenham Hotspur, £20.3m); Albert Riera (Espanyol, £8m); Andrea Dossena (Udinese, £7m); Martin Skrtel (Zenit St Petersburg, £6.5m); Diego Cavalieri (Palmeiras, £3.5m); David Ngog (Paris St Germain, £1.5m); Alex Cooper (Ross County, £100,000); Philipp Degen (Borussia Dortmund, free); Lauri Dalla Valle (Jippo, nominal); Vitor Flora (Botafogo, nominal); Peter Gulacsi (MTK Hungaria, nominal); Emmanuel Mendy (Murcia Deportivo, nominal); Nikola Saric (Herfolge, nominal); Vincent Lucas Weijl (AZ Alkmaar, nominal).

OUT (15)

Peter Crouch (Portsmouth, £11m); Mohammed Sissoko (Juventus, £8.2m); John Arne Riise (AS Roma, £3.98m); Scott Carson (West Bromwich Albion, £3.75m); Danny Guthrie (Newcastle United, £2.5m); Steve Finnan (Espanyol, free); Harry Kewell (Galatasaray, free); Anthony Le Tallec (Le Mans, free); Besian Idrazaj (Wacker Tirol, free); Lee Peltier (Yeovil Town, free); San Jose Dominguez (released); Craig Lindfield (released); Ray Putterill (released); Miki Roque (released); James Smith (released).

Spent £46.9m; Recouped £29.43m; Net Spend £17.47m

2009 Pre this window/

IN (1)

Victor Palsson (Aarhus GF, £384,000)

OUT (3)

Robbie Keane (Tottenham Hotspur, £16m); Sami Hyypia (Bayer Leverkusen, free), J Hobbs (Leicester City, £150,000).

Spent £0.384m; Recouped £16m; Net Spend (-£15.766m)

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I expect a Liverpool fan to know these figures to be honest with you and not come out with crap like Rafa has obviously spent more compared to how far Rafa has moved us forward he's spent peanuts.
Double Oh Seven
QUOTE(Tams @ Jun 22 2009, 07:27 PM) *
I have a grip on myself thanks, I'm living in the real world, as is almost everyone of my mates who are thinking the price tag is way over the top. It's still £17 million whatever way you look at it also. Do you honestly think he's worth £17m? Do you think we even need to strengthen our defense based on last seasons performances? I for one don't. I'm yet to hear a single person I know, Liverpool or neutral alike, to say he's worth that kind of money, if anything, you get a grip of yourself.

That's basically £17m spent on a position that doesn't need strengthening, in place of a back up striker, which proved last season we needed above anything. What are we gonna do when Torres gets injured again, which he will, there is no doubt about that. Sure we can rely on Gerrard to carry us again, but why would anyone want that when we had millions to get a back up striker, or even a strike partner for Torres?

It seems people are way to biased towards their own teams on these boards.. way too biased.

Chelsea/Man Utd scrap for the EPL unless we get some cover for Torres. Either that or N'gog suddenly becomes a half decent player.



QUOTE(Tams @ Jun 22 2009, 08:03 PM) *
Arbeloa has been ever present for us since he arrived, as was Finnan when he was here for what kind a club we were back then, so I don't know where your Babbel comment came from... almost every position in the squad needed replaced at that time.

No right back in the EPL is worth that kind of money.. there is none that stands out above the rest. If there is any right back I would bring in for that kind of money, he wouldn't come from the EPL, but the Ukrainian league. I'm sure you know who I mean.. he is exceptional and I don't see any RB out there that rival his talents.

He's a good player - Better then Arbeloa - but it's not a position I would inject £17m into.

Edit - What movieman says, basically.


Please stop calling it EPL.
Skamp
QUOTE(Tams @ Jun 22 2009, 08:03 PM) *
Arbeloa has been ever present for us since he arrived, as was Finnan when he was here for what kind a club we were back then, so I don't know where your Babbel comment came from... almost every position in the squad needed replaced at that time.




I am talking about the type of RB Tams an attacking RB with that extra bit of quality and a goal threat,sorry but i thought you would've understood that considering Babbel only managed 40odd games for us before he was taken ill.

I understand why some peole are questioning spending 17m on a defender but saying he's not worth that is short sighted on your part mate,English players cost extra,it's a fucked up fact but a fact none the less & the better players in any posistion always cost a premium,it's just the way the market is.

Prices are high because of the ammount of money that Sky have pumped into the league you may not like it but i'd sooner the money was spread around rarther than going to greedy owners

You're acting like Rafa's lost the plot and decided to spunk his while budget on one player,he's not gotten to where he is today by being stupid and he knows exactly how much money he has to spend,where as all you are doing is soaking up all the shite the papers have been printing,you talk about his poor signings but everytime he's traded up & you believe the hype about his spunking 100s of millions when the figures don't add up

The Daily Nazi have us down as selling 8 starters ffs,today they claimed we were selling £30m+ worth of players just to fund this deal,in short they're clueless muppets (all the chip papers) who use a scatter gun approach and then jump for glee patting themselves on the back if they get one transfer right out of 100.

It's not a case of in Rafa I trust more a case of i know Rafa isn't stupid,he now has the control he should've had from the start so if it does go wrong then he will gladly take all the flak.
Tams
QUOTE(Mr. Magoo @ Jun 23 2009, 11:16 AM) *
Please stop calling it EPL.

Don't call it what it is? Hmm, ok. I'm pretty sure every person here knew what I meant.

QUOTE(Skamp @ Jun 23 2009, 12:03 PM) *
I am talking about the type of RB Tams an attacking RB with that extra bit of quality and a goal threat,sorry but i thought you would've understood that considering Babbel only managed 40odd games for us before he was taken ill.

I understand why some peole are questioning spending 17m on a defender but saying he's not worth that is short sighted on your part mate,English players cost extra,it's a fucked up fact but a fact none the less & the better players in any posistion always cost a premium,it's just the way the market is.


You're acting like Rafa's lost the plot and decided to spunk his while budget on one player,he's not gotten to where he is today by being stupid and he knows exactly how much money he has to spend,where as all you are doing is soaking up all the shite the papers have been printing,you talk about his poor signings but everytime he's traded up & you believe the hype about his spunking 100s of millions when the figures don't add up

The Daily Nazi have us down as selling 8 starters ffs,today they claimed we were selling £30m+ worth of players just to fund this deal,in short they're clueless muppets (all the chip papers) who use a scatter gun approach and then jump for glee patting themselves on the back if they get one transfer right out of 100.


Depends on what we are looking at really, or how you personally rate the player, as I can think of several players who would cost less then Johnson and give us that extra edge up front, if that is exactly what we need, which I don't. If I wanted a wing back for the right hand side, I would have sprung for Srna, who is possibly the best there is at the minute. Yes he hasn't proven himself in a top league, but it's a chance you have to take. He was probably the best player in the UEFA Cup last season, and we all remember those devastating crosses he bombarded England with in the EC Qualifiers. I would even go as far as saying he can pass the ball like Alonso, really a top player - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qhq_2ZysxAE&feature=fvst . Johnson has nothing on him - I'm guessing a top European club will snap him up for around £15 -20m this summer. If English players cost so much - Don't fecking buy them? tongue.gif

As for Papers, I've never read one in over two years now so.. hmm. I'm pretty sure everyone here gets their daily football from a website/paper and not from the respective club, word of mouth so to speak.

In Rafa I trust, I've always been a fan and have never jumped on the occasional two week "Rafa is not the man we need" bandwagon. He is a quality coach and has proven it not only at Liverpool but in the other top division, the only division I'd rate as highly as our own. I just don't think the £17m price tag is worthy of a RB of Johnson's quality, when it is absolutely clear to every Liverpool fan other places in the squad need a cash injection.
Skamp
QUOTE(Tams @ Jun 23 2009, 12:34 PM) *
when it is absolutely clear to every Liverpool fan other places in the squad need a cash injection.



So in your opinion we didn't need to strenghten the RB slot ?

I am shocked you say that to be honest considering Alvaro wants to finish in Spain and only has 12months left on his contract and our back up for him is made of Glass,but again you are 2nd guessing Rafa in June ffs.


I'll say it again it's only June

Skamp
Why I had to splash out on Glen Johnson - Liverpool FC boss Rafa Benitez

Jun 23 2009 by David Prentice, Liverpool Echo

LIVERPOOL boss Rafa Benitez admitted today that his £17m capture of Glen Johnson was more than he wanted to spend on a full-back.

But he also revealed that the huge outlay does not signal the end of his summer spending.

With Chelsea also willing to pay Portsmouths asking price for the England defender, Benitez admitted: Sometimes you have to spend a little bit more.

You cant compete in the top four of the Premier League unless you spend some money.

We were looking for a player of quality and also somebody who is British because of the new Champions League rules.

Glen Johnson fits both categories.


The player has agreed a deal with the Reds and is expected to formally put pen to paper in the next 48 hours.

And he may not be the last new face at Anfield this summer.

We have a plan,added Benitez.We can sign one more player if necessary, but thats without any players leaving.
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So he still has money to spend + any money he gets from sales,exactly what i have been saying


Benitez is bracing himself for a bid from Real Madrid for Alvaro Arbeloa. but he is also concerned by the increasing speculation surrounding midfielders Xabi Alonso and Javier Mascherano.

The Reds boss has made it clear that he would not welcome bids for either player, but while Real have publicly stated their interest in Alonso has ended, Barcelona are refusing to give up on Mascherano despite Benitezs very firm hands-off warning.

First to leave, however, could be Arbeloa.

Alvaro Arbeloa has had a very good season but he has one year left on his contract,said the Reds boss.If he signs that will be good because we will have more competition, but if we get a good offer we will have to consider it.

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One could say that getting a quality RB was our main priority,No?


Benitez is also hoping that on-loan players Sebastien Leto and Andriy Voronin could bring in more transfer funds, while a return to Italy for Andrea Dossena is also on the cards.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-f...252-23949351/2/

So calm down lads Rafa has his 1st choice and still has money to spend wink.gif
Tams
QUOTE(Skamp @ Jun 23 2009, 12:45 PM) *
So in your opinion we didn't need to strenghten the RB slot ?

I am shocked you say that to be honest considering Alvaro wants to finish in Spain and only has 12months left on his contract and our back up for him is made of Glass,but again you are 2nd guessing Rafa in June ffs.
I'll say it again it's only June

It wasn't needed at all.. maybe we could have opted for contract talks with Arbeloa? It's not in stone he wants to leave Liverpool. He's only 26 years old and wants to finish his career in Spain... and? Tevez wants to finish his career in Argentina also... doesn't stop people from making bids for him, even if he's only gonna be around for 4 years. Johnson won't give us a major boost from what I've seen of him.. he's not that "Final part of the Jigsaw" we've been searching for the last 10 fucking years :/

The simple task - Ask any Liverpool fan if they would rather spend £17m on a striker to partner/backup Torres, or splash it on a right back. I'm pretty damn sure what the outcome would be.

Once again - I will 2nd guess Rafa's decisions as he has made poor decisions in the past. Just because I'm a fan of Liverpool and love the club, I shouldn't second guess Rafa? Please... ffs.

Real Madrid still confident on Xabi Alonso it has emerged. Barcelona will get Mascherano from what I make of the interest. If they make a solid bid, he will leave, no doubt about it. Arbeloa will most likely leave now Johnson has came - Which still means we have a man made of glass as back up to our first choice. smile.gif
Skamp
Alvaro wanted to return to Spain last season Tams & Rafa talked him into staying for another year and to see how he felt,do you not think Rafa/LFC have talked to him about a contract ?

I cannot believe you think we should've wasted time opening contract talks with him whilst Gj (Rafas first choice) moved to another club,it would've been amaturish at best and fucking madness at worst.

You 2nd guess Rafa all you like but the Echo artical pisses all over your assumptions (you make alot of them) that he's spunked all the money on Johnson.

As for asking fans what they think,do you not think i talk about the team with my mates,dya think i only talk football on this fucking forum,people were not that keen on us going after Tevez because a) the price & cool.gif why would we break up the Stevie Nando partnership,seriously why ?

You say get someone to partner Nando up top even though Rafa plays with 1 CF with the Ams joining,infact most sides play with one up top nowadays and Rafa always has but now you want him to change his philosphy. Why ?

We could do with another forward but not a £17m one,what £17m striker would come to us knowing that Nando and Stevie would always be ahead of him ? And who is this mythical £17m forward you so desperatly want to see break up that partnership ?


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Barcelona will get Mascherano from what I make of the interest


From what you have read in the papers more like,Yaya has just signed a new contract so why would they need him,and lets just ignore Masch saying how at ease all the players feel that Rafa has signed a new contract and how he feels he owes a debt of grattitude to the club and Rafa.

Yeah lets forget what he & Rafa actualy say and believe the papers made up bullshit.

You say you don't read the papers but fuck me if you don't trot out the very same bullshit the papers have been printing.

Getting a class RB was a priority even if you cannot see it.
kwacka
if you lose Masc and Alonso i will LMAO.

quite big hits to take i think
Tams
QUOTE(Skamp @ Jun 23 2009, 03:57 PM) *
Alvaro wanted to return to Spain last season Tams & Rafa talked him into staying for another year and to see how he felt,do you not think Rafa/LFC have talked to him about a contract ?

I cannot believe you think we should've wasted time opening contract talks with him whilst Gj (Rafas first choice) moved to another club,it would've been amaturish at best and fucking madness at worst.

You 2nd guess Rafa all you like but the Echo artical pisses all over your assumptions (you make alot of them) that he's spunked all the money on Johnson.

As for asking fans what they think,do you not think i talk about the team with my mates,dya think i only talk football on this fucking forum,people were not that keen on us going after Tevez because a) the price & cool.gif why would we break up the Stevie Nando partnership,seriously why ?

You say get someone to partner Nando up top even though Rafa plays with 1 CF with the Ams joining,infact most sides play with one up top nowadays and Rafa always has but now you want him to change his philosphy. Why ?

We could do with another forward but not a £17m one,what £17m striker would come to us knowing that Nando and Stevie would always be ahead of him ? And who is this mythical £17m forward you so desperatly want to see break up that partnership ?


From what you have read in the papers more like,Yaya has just signed a new contract so why would they need him,and lets just ignore Masch saying how at ease all the players feel that Rafa has signed a new contract and how he feels he owes a debt of grattitude to the club and Rafa.

Yeah lets forget what he & Rafa actualy say and believe the papers made up bullshit.

You say you don't read the papers but fuck me if you don't trot out the very same bullshit the papers have been printing.

Getting a class RB was a priority even if you cannot see it.


We need another striker, are you retarded? Do you think we are gonna win the EPL with Torres and N'Gog as back up? For sucks sake, that's what Rafa failed at last season, sending Keane off in January without bringing in a replacement. That was a BAD DECISION, you with me? That's why people second guess Rafa, as he makes weird decisions. Like fuck am I gonna blindly follow everything Rafa says and does just because he is our manager.. I'll leave that up to biased morons.

I'm not talking about Tevez either. I'm talking about another quality striker as back up to Torres, or to play alongside him when needed. If your gonna go on about what Rafa says all the time - Why not listen to one of our starlets? Torres actually said he wanted Villa to come to Liverpool. That's him actually wanting a striker at the club to play alongside. As for a £17m striker? Plenty out there who would be interested. If one of our midfield class acts leave, whether it be Masch or Xabi, we would probably go to a 4-4-2 anyways. We only have Lucas as sufficient cover and we all know his capabilities. I'm pretty sure he couldn't cope with first team football on a regular basis - Way to many cock ups.

Mascherano also stated he is flattered by the interest that has been shown in him from the likes of Barcelona and Real Madrid. Do you honestly think he would stay at Liverpool if Barcelona make an offer? I'm pretty sure he'd jump on the next plane to play with the best club in Europe, alongside Messi and Co.
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The Argentine international has been tipped to join the Camp Nou outfit this summer while his representative, Walter Tamer, is understood to have jetted to Catalunya to hold talks last week.

"I am very proud and thankful for the interest from Barcelona and Real Madrid. It's good for me to have these two teams interested in me," he told Don Balon.

"Both teams are very important but at this moment I think that Barcelona is a little bit better and that's why they've won all that they have."


As for Yaya Toure, he hasn't signed a contract yet at all, so that's bullshit. He is still in talks, and even Yaya's agent commented on Mascherano's proposed move..
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"This is not a problem for Yaya Toure, but for the Argentinian because he could be on the bench for many minutes."




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*From what you have read in the papers more like*
*You say you don't read the papers but fuck me if you don't trot out the very same bullshit the papers have been printing.* then this... *You 2nd guess Rafa all you like but the Echo artical pisses all over your assumptions*

Umm.. I enjoyed that one. The Echo talks more shit then the Sun, kinda contradicted yourself also.

Essien another Barcelona/Real target
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Essien open to Spanish talk
-Agent-
"He likes Chelsea very much, but football is football and if Real Madrid, Barcelona or some other club make an offer he needs to sit down and discuss what is best for him."
kwacka
If Essian came up for grabs that would be great.....just a spin on getting a pay rises from a few players i feel here.

do none of the Pool fans fancy Eto at Anfield? he is quality
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