Come on, if any english club was run like madrid i think we would of been banned from europe long ago and fifa and uefa would be crucifying our clubs.

Madrid were bailed out just a few years ago, because the council bought there training ground for 300million....then sold it back to them for nothing. they also allow madrid to buy property and land at tiny prices, way under market levels, then buy them off them at massively inflated prices.

now im pretty sure this is illegal, and should mean madrid are banned from competing in european comps, because the government has a big part in the running of real madrid. ive been doin a bit of reading and theres clearly something dodgy about the club, and 1 day, 1 day a trustworthy man will take charge of fifa ( blatter is a member of reals board btw....HMMMMMMM ) and sort this awful club out, hopefully putting an end to these arrogant bastards.

do a little research and see what i mean before posting any rubbish aswell for once.

They are renting it to Madrid they've not sold it back but apart from that Madrid do get away with alot compared to other Spanish sides mainly because of the King,the silence from UEFA about the Kaka transfer is comical considering they almost shat themselves and shouted to anyone who was foolish enough to listen that City were about to kill the game.

And we're supposed to be paraniod when we point out that UEFA seem to have an inbuilt hatred of the Enlgish game.

Edit: Seems the rental situation ended once the new training facilities were built,that said everything you posted about the sale is bollocks ironic considering you told everyone to do a little research

trying to say no one ever talks sense on here bar you?

no it was aimed at 1 in particular.

"The City of Madrid had re-zoned Real Madrid's training grounds for development, vastly increasing its value, and the club then sold the site to the Madrid city council and regional government for office buildings."

infact the money raised was used to build a new training complex, but still, extremely dodgy to say the least.

but the purchasing of land by RM which is the re zoned and then sold back to the city of madrid is something madrid do alot. no other team in spain, would be allowed to do this....and i seriously doubt athletico madrid do anything like this..

King of Spain..............end of discussion

well yeh.

Real Madrid never sold then rebought the land from the local authorities as it was always RM land,they did give some of the land to the Authorities because that was part of the agreement for the land to be re-zoned,fact of the matter is RM owned some of the most expensive green belt land in the world,the Spanish/Madrid Gov needed to develop it due to it's positioning on the most expensive street in Spain,R.Madrid got lucky in the fact that when they first purchased said land for a training complex in the 60's it was on the edge of town and Madrid decided to build its financial center & a transport hub around it.

You do know that the European Union ran an investigation into the whole lot and found no wrong doing yeah ?
If there was anything dodgy then don't you think Barcelona would've been all over it like flies to shit.

ffs of course they aint, people read the papers and believe anything. their money comes from their superstars.

let me give you a example, david beckham, i believe he was at madrid for 5 seasons? they made around 45m per season just on merchandises etc (included things like friendlies...they made like 15m alone per friendly playing their superstars in asia)

their tv revenue, it is the highest in the world, much higher than any other club, i believe united are 2nd.3rd in the world and madrids is double that. they own their own tv rights, so when they had the superstars more customers paid fee's to see them.

real madrid HAD and now do have a solid business plan.

that muppet who was the corrupted president really left them in a shit hole with his nonsense

...i wouldnt go as far as corrupt but dodgy del boy dealings definetly,RM do have a "special" relationship with the goverment,the rivalry between barca and real has nothing to do with them being 2 best spanish clubs,its political...

Read that in a newspaper?

lets be honest, we get all our chat from papers/websites/skysports news

real madrid are dodgy

let me explain why

Sepp Blatter, the head of Fifa.........also real madrid board member......real madrid spend huge amounts of money.....not a battered eyelid from Fifa or Platinis crew.........man city offer ( not spend ) huge amounts of money.....both Blatter and Platter come down on them like a tonne of bricks.

corrupt? yes, bad for football? yes gonna cry when barca walk la liga and athletico finish above them? oh aye peoples

Clueless.

im affraid thats you, as sepp blatter is a member of the real madrid board....so yeh, next.

edit. honourary....still a member, and hes also a real madrid fan...

so clueless? i think not. thyat would be you so get of your high horse like all liverpool fans who know about fuck all when it comes to football, thanks

Stop believing everything you hear down playschool colne.

http://www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/federation/r...sid=107760.html

thanks dollface

Has no influence it's just the same as his introdiction to the English hall of Fame and his Grand Cordon of the Order of the Rising Sun,i don't expect you to understand the distinction though as you still think the Spanish GVo bought the land then sold it back to Madrid.

and back to the discussion that real madrid are dodgy

madrid fan, member of real madrid.....you sayin he isnt involved in or has no influence at real madrid...

explain why madrid are not and will not be critisised for these huge transfer fees, tapping up, poaching, illegal approaches etc etc...oh and not forgetting the fact blatter is 1 of the most corrupt people in sport....bribes usually come to mind when this guys invoved in something.

I take it you have put the training ground sale to bed yeah ?

no there was something dodgy about that aswell.

everything real madrid do is dodgy, even the coffee they sell is dodgy, probs use slave labour to get it lol.

you acceptin theres something not right at madrid, they get away with anything and everything...

and just cos its not reported doesnt mean its not true...thats the whole idea behind a corrupt organisation, not very smart if you broadcast it to everyone is it. 1 day they will be found out....

I do yes

at least we are honest. nothing worse than the old gem....... 'my cousin's pal's auntie is the tea lady at *insert club* and she seen *insert name* at the training ground today'

I doubt they are corrupt, but Barcelona have actually come out and questioned all of this money they have, its on sky sports new today. Hughes also kicked off about how no one questions the money they spend yet they questioned his bid for kaka...all platini came out and said was 'its excessive...' ya think?!?

But i doubt they are corrupt, just pointing out that other people, established professionals, also have doubts about madrid.

People have to ask themselves how much a similar price of land would be worth in the Square Mile because that is in essence where the land was in Madrid,like i said they got lucky that Madrid grew around them and then put it's most important sectors around said complex.

There was nothing dodgy about the sale of the land,i know because looked into it a couple of years ago and had my opinion validated when the EU found no wrong doing or any evidence of backhanders from the state.

Oh and Fuck Mark Hughes the curly headed twat will be out of a job by Crimbo

To put the price of RM's training complex into perspective the MOD sold Chelsea barracks in 2007 for £959m property developers it is 12.5 acres about the same size as the one in Madrid and like Mardid it is situated in one of the most saught after postcodes in the City.

Sounds to me like RM got ripped off.

looks like they just added villa from juventas for 34mil...
they sure do have a ton of money to spend...

Villa from Valencia not Juve

my bad... must have mis heard them on the news...

David villa deal on the rocks

Nah land values in London are probably 2nd or 3rd highestest in the world (behind tokyo and possibly sand banks). It's certainly more expensive than in Madrid.

And that will be why Chelsea Barracks was almost 3x the cost No ?

I was taking the piss saying RM got robbed )

Cheeky fuckers offering £21m for the guy,i see he's come out and said he will only come to England to play for Rafa it's just a shame we cannot afford him.

Ah ok My bad.

interesting facts about real, i havent done any digging but i was discussing this at work with a couple of mates and one of them said something about the bank of spain bankrolling barcalona im not sure how true this is or what this entails plus the fact i wouldnt know where to start finding out.

just wondering if anyone else had heard or know anything about it?

isn't it real that are financed by the bank of spain? i'm sure they have links with the king of spain

I would think both teams get there loans from the bank of Spain.

I doubt it. The rivalry between Barca and Real is as much political as it is football (if not even more so). The rulers of Spain support Real and Real get help off them all the time, this fuels the hatred of them with Barca fans. If the bank of Spain do loan to Barca, their interest rates will be about 3 times what Madrid would ever have to pay.

That post is one massive pile of shite.

(i'll gladly take that back if you provide any proof about what your brain just farted out)

you need proof the rulers of Spain support Madrid or that Madrid and Barca rivalry is more than footy? Why? lol. It's pretty well documented. Answer me this, where's real's money coming from and why aren't Barca matching them? If Barca were treeat the same, they'd be able to do it as easily as Madrid, the fact is, they can't and it's nothing to do with money that the clubs themselfs generate.

Oh im also sick of hearing about that real president saying singing the best players in the world is a good marketing stratagy. Last time they did this, their debts increased massively (although their turnover did too), they couldn't keep up with out going. They'll have evn less success at shirt sales this time. Last time they bough a new superstar every year, so fans would generally buy a shirt with his name on it. What do they expect people to do now? Buy a Benzema shirt, a Kaka shirt, a Ronaldo shirt and a whoever else shirt all in one year?

They said they got more off sponsors, yet UTD make more off sponsorship than any other team in the world, yet they rarely buy superstars. Madrid has a higher turnover (yet less bottom line than UTD) than UTD solely because Madrid sell their own TV rights world wide. If Man UTD did that world wide, they'd dwarf Madrid's turnover.

Madrid will fail finacially again and find some way of getting their debt written off and all because of their politcal connections.

More this rubbish oo7 if the bank of Spain do loan to Barca, their interest rates will be about 3 times what Madrid would ever have to pay. all ther loans would be out in the open and the EU would be all over it like flies on shit mate (just as they were when people shouted favouritism with the training ground sale).
Yes the KOS is a RM fan but he has about the same powers as our Queen all show and no go,he certainly has no power/sway over the Bank of Spain.


I know all about the off field rivalry mainly because i'm a footy fan but why would Barca need to match them this summer when they've just proven themselves to be the most complete side in Spain/Europe ?
As for what both sides generate RM's tv revenue is 135m a season & Barcas 80m.

Or is it RM's fault that they are the best run club in terms of generating cash on the planet,should they be forced to give some money back ?

IOur Queen (and probably their king) has more power than you think. She could shoot you in London's Trafalger Square at lunch time and no one could legally do a thing. She installs our goverment into power and as a result could throw them out too.

The Bank of Spain is a for profit company and as a result they can offer discounts to anyone they want. Me saying Barca would pay 3 times more is not me saying Barca have to pay 3 times more than everyone else, just 3 times more than Madrid. Barca would have to pay the usual interest fee everyone esle does, while Madrid's would be legally discounted. What could the EU do? Are you honestly saying a bank cannot offer even it's employees cheaper loans?

Yeah you're right, they don't need to, but I'm also right, they couldn't if they wanted to. I also think, if they thought Ronny would have chosen them over Madrid and they could have got the 80mil together they would have bought him had they needed him or not.

I have no problem with how much money real Madrid make or lose for that matter. I'm just pointing out to increase sponsorship, you don't have to buy the best players in the world. If you do, that's because the sponsors think less of you as a club when compared to Man UTD.

Perez's so called successful stragey for making them more money ramped up huge debts last time and I expect larger debts this time. Don't worry though, they'll be bailed out

And i can legally shoot a Jock with a bow n arrow after dark within the city walls of york,so what is your point ?

I am starting to see that you love a good conspiracy theory 007 i am hoping it's just for effect and not something you carry around in your everyday life mate.

Yep technically, due an old by-law that's true. Hwoever you'd probably be done for it. It's a fact the queen cannot be tried by by a court of law. The courts belong to her. They are called "Her magesty;s court service". Want proof she's untouchable by the law? Doesn't need a passport or a license plate on her car. Why should she need her own wirrten permission to drive on our roads or go abroad? The courts cannot touch her and that's a fact not a conspiracy. When people get sent down, it's at her majestys request and order.

Nice try though, all you've done is pretty much avoided everything thing I said and grapsed at straw. Good show.

You're ignoring a little thing called the magna carter 'The King is not above the law'

The reason i've not gotten deep into your conspiracy theory regarding RM is because it's on the previous pages,go back and read what i had to say 00.

The queen isn't above the law. Research 'Magna Carter' and the 'Bill of rights'. She isn't above the law.

I know all about the magna carta. I also know that throught different periods of history, some previous kings and queens have suspended it and ran riot. If she's not above the law, why don't she need a passport or a license plate on her car. Those two are things we as subjects need by LAW. Simply answer is, because she's above the law.

You're wrong (about the monarch being above the law) but i will play along,if she is above the law why does she have to pay road tax ? congestion charge ? MOT ? and have to abide by the rules of the road ?

Unlike her paying VAT/income tax those items are not voluntary they are mandortory for every vehicle she owns/drives on the public highway.I agree that she doesn't need a driving license but that's mostly for show considering she passed her driving test over 60 years ago.

The last king to ignore the magna carter was sent to trial and executed.

Stop digging 00 just go back and read what i had to say about the RM conspiracy.

She doesn't have to pay road tax, she chooses to. She recently (a few years ago) decided to start paying tax off her own back. Look I'm not saying saying nothing will happen to her if she shot someone. The people would revolt and something would happen. The people would hold her/him accountable. However they can suspened the the magna carta if they wish. They don't because of the fear of repercussions and as you said, the last one got executed and rightly so.

I've read it and while you nor i can prove a thing, I think your version is less accurate than mine. That's simple enough i think. Yourwhole argument is based on the fact that EU looked into it and said nothing's untawrd. they can discount Real and be within their rights to do so

And with this conspiracy nonsene you're making out i care. I don't and good luck to them! Hell, i wish Man UTD could do the same

Cannot believe i am argueing over bloody Elizabeth



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Like i said she chose to pay VAT/tax but she has no choice when it comes to her private cars No Choice any powers she has are just for show,they are just Tradition nowt more and if she tried it on she would find herself in a special courtroom.

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Back to RM they just lucked out when the city of Madrid built itself around the training complex making said complex extreamly valuble,there were no dodgy dealings and no sly under the table payments.

It's realy as simple as that