The battle between Loose Change and Screw Loose Change reminds me of the east coast vs. west coast rap wars of the 90's. But anyways, both films have their interesting points, but we're never gonna know the entire truth.

"Death Is Nothing More Than The Absence Of Life"
"Im Not Really Crazy, At Least Thats What My Voices Tell Me To Say"

AMEN BROTHER!

After reading your reply it was obvious to me that you did not go to any of the links he gave you, and I doubt anyone else did for that matter. It took me about 6 hours to watch this doc. b/c I was going to all the links he provided. Dylan Avery and his buddies are just some young guys who didn't get accepted to film school so they made some crappy doc. to spite the schools that didn't accept them, IMO. I don't know about anyone else, but Dylan Avery did lie and quote mine in this doc. so how can you believe what someone says when they intentionaly lie and change qoutes to fit their own agenda. If you ask me if someone lies to me I'm not going to listen to them anymore. Do yourself a favor watch this doc. again and go to the links he provides, b/c it's not his opinion, it is fact. Mark is one Canadian I would be proud to have as an American!

Actually I did read some of the links, but not all of them. So you answer one of my questions..Mark is from Canada. I am 45 years old and grew up in the Vietnam era had a uncle that served in that war and he came home shell shocked. I've seen a lot of what our government has done. A lot of promises our politicians make to get elected once their in office they seem to forget the promises they made. I really don't want to believe our government was the ones that actually attacked but what I do believe is they knew it was going to happen and chose to do nothing and let it happen. It is a proved fact that war can be profitable and it can really help a president that's popularity was going way down in polls go back up in the polls so he can get reelected for another term. That is FACT! I didn't vote for Bush for president either time, because I'm a Texan and got my 2 cents worth of him as governor. Sorry if I'm just a little leary of a goverment that lies and covers up for thier own agenda.

You know why you are involved in the government and "fix" problems? As you said before..THATS YOUR JOB. Anyone who works a full time job wont have the time to do your job also. And, why are you whining endlessly and attacking US? Don't you have some better things to do than rant on this forum?

I was gonna let this thing die but it looks like its you that can't stop ranting and whining endlessly. Before I started posting I mostly just read on this forum but I got sick of all the bullying that goes on in this forum against religion, government, and those that are for them. You especially do this quite a bit. Then you have the audacity to accuse me of ranting and whining. Nice tactic for a weak debater. If I was for your 'beliefs' you wouldn't bat an eye at my tenacity but since I challenge you, you have a problem. But I guess you don't have anything better to do, do you?

I wouldn't worry too much about defending religion IMO. Religion bashing is a British working class sport If you remember look out for it in 2012

But Bush had already been elected to his second and final term (thank goodness) before 9/11. So your statement is not really relevant.

If I remember correctly it was you who was bullying and insulting people, not I. My responses where just pointing out the fallacies in your posts, not bullying you. But of course, I actually have fact, reason and logic to back up my statements, so I don't need to use personal attacks.

Ranting and whining:



Or is that what you call good debating?

I have no problem with you debating your point, but being a hypocrite doesn't help. Even if I have nothing better to do, I never said I did. I was never calling people lazy fat kids. If you were going to "let this die", why not? If you never responded to that, it would have. But no, you need to get the last word.

Really? Lets see..he was elected to his FIRST term in 2000...or he wouldn't still be president now...Or did you just forget what year 9/11 happened in?.......

i agree almost a hundred percent. the true fact is , that government throughout history is responible (good or bad) for more deaths of humans than practically anything.

You beat me to his post first. Coulnd't have said it better.....Thank you

Democrats say that Bush conspired an "inside job" hoax of 911 that hasn't been figured out in 6 yrs.
He also "stole" two elections. And they say Bush is a moron ?Or is he an evil genius ?

What is he ?

Well, the two stolen elections and 9/11 (if it was done by the government) weren't planned by Bush himself. He is a moron, and thus, a puppet of the republican party. Cheney could never have been elected if he ran for president, but Bush was seen as a better candidate. Then the puppetmasters: Cheney, Rumsfeld etc. are doing all the actual work.

rofl you guys are retards. first 2 minutes referring to project northwoods it says "The govornment didnt plan to kill anybody in this fake terrorist act"
oh yeah thats right they just wanted a reason to go to war, where thousands of innocent americans are killed and the money is put in their pockets. so you really think the billions of dollars worth of oil as well as establishing a base of operations in the middle east isnt reason enough to kill 3000 people they dont give a fuck about? not to mention the patriot act and the patriot act 2, i hope when your constitution is burned and your beliefs are shattered you and your blind friends realize how retarded you all are and how you have damned not only you but future mind slave generations

i bet you believe in god too, how sad.

only more have died in the name of religeon

""Yes, Wittenburg is a pilot. He is also a conspiracy theorist who does not believe that ANY aircraft hit the pentagon, wich makes him stupid or insane. he is a minority""

so what happened to documentaries using facts? this doc reminds me of what happens to celebrities who say something wrong, people on the news just call them insane and make shit up or find something they did wrong 10 years ago, yeah... anyone that believe this shit needs to go cut their wrists, vertically not horizontally, im not talking about a cry for help, i mean if you believe this shit. go kill yourself.

Great discussion, now for some reality.

Official 9/11 report is full of omissions and distortions. Inconvenient facts were ignored by the commission, while even the most ridiculous arguments were used to bolster the official story ("fire melting steel", 'pancake theory', "wtc 1 and 2 = hollow steel shafts", "no planes intercepted because of incompetancy", "hanny hanjour flew flight 77 into pentagon (but could barely fly a cessna)"...), which itself is a 'conspiracy theory'.

If you truly want to learn more about 9/11 propaganda, debunking, lies, spin and attacks on the truth movement, and how those things work, i strongly urge everyone to read "Debunking 9/11 Debunking" by David Ray Griffin.

It's an excellent read, well documented, full of info, and very clearly outlined and laid out. It will show you that none of the 'debunking' books articles and films have even come close to explaining what we 'the loony conspiracy theorists, who should cut our own wrists, vertically", have brought up.

Debunking 9/11 Debunking - An Answer to Popular Mechanics and Other Defenders of the Official Conspiracy Theory (Paperback) by David Ray Griffin (Amazon)

Please, please, please read this book. If you want, while i don't recommend it (it will make you puke), you can then read the official report, and the Popular Mechanics propaganda pieces, and the BBC Documentary "Conspiracy Files - 9/11" and see just how much they are lying to you.

9/11 WAS an inside job, and our job as free humans is to prevent the governments of the world from using the "False Flag Terrorism" to push the populations into submission.

yes though throughout history the religions have acted as governing entities. the church of england for example

Care to provide any proof? If you knew anything about history you'd understand most wars are started over land, nationality, resources, pride, revenge, and a number of other motivations that all sit in front of religion. In fact religious warfare is a relatively new concept. You have early Mesopotamia wars which largely involved empirical expansions like the Sumerians, Babylonians, Hittites, all had local gods and primitive religions. Persia was the greatest empire in the middle east during the early times and was incredibly tolerant and never once thought of religion as they cut down their enemies. Egypt as well, which was one a very few early empires that had a national religion, was also quite tolerant. The Chinese, Mongols, Russians, and Huns all had bloody expansions none of which involved religion. The Romans also never gave religion much of a thought and followed the Persians in allowing religious freedom (If someone mentions the Roman massacre against the Jews as an example of religious deaths will be shown to be an idiot, so don't try it). So really up until Christianity and Islam became national religions no one really gave much of a thought to it. Even then it wasn't until the middle ages that such a thing existed.

Care to rephrase that?

I just wanted to first of all say that WTiburon is full of shit and I love how his name calling and REAL negitivism is counted as an argument. And mad props to doc for upholding a real debate and quoting using fact and not name calling. I dont know about his "bullieing" past but 100% of this post shows way more bully tactics in Wt's arguments. Go back to driving your POS hyndai. One question about our economy that we are so strong with ... why is all most all of chaney's money and bush's money in foriegn investments if he is really looking out for the good old stars and stripes ?! ... (when questioned bush (and i believe this) has little to do with his investments) but if you look at that alone you would know the worth of the $ is going to DROP as soon as they leave office and the real crimes are seen.

All the defenders and fan bois of WT can flame me to their hearts content but you are all following him as blindly as the pulpit of a church. The fact of the matter is you all (both sides) are argueing a point that can not be won by either side (politics and religon) no matter who is "right" there is going to be a leftist or a rightist that refuses to look at what is in front of them (wether you say you do or not)

I find that the democrats in here are doing a much better job showing their points and bringing tangible material to look at and review. The problem is no one likes admiting they are wrong. I try to make it a point to admit when i am but i even find it hard and i activly try to be my own worse critic and look at my self objectivly ... The problem in no one liking to admit their own failures is that it breeds that kind of (sorry using some racism here) "white man" mentality. because if the person standing to your side doesnt have to show their work and make a difference then you dont have to either, you learn from your parents and you learn from your peers and if we look at both within both sides of our gov't then you see that they are all "white men" and obviously their shit doesnt stink.

If you look at the FACTS of 911 and "self sustaining" wars...
IF it was or WAS NOT a gov't made act
-It still opened the gates to another American War on something.
-These wars on an idea cannot be won.
-These wars on an idea cannot be proven ineffective or effective.
-"self sustaining" wars are often used as proof they are needed when the fact is they are the problem.
- the war on drugs is a perfect example.
-These wars also are generating money by supplying both sides.
-Fact USA once sold opium and heroin to its own people, and bought it from the chinese AND fought with them over it publicly, many people fell in that deal.
-FACT USA has been caught supplying our own enemys with weapons even after we are "mortal enemys" Iran contra comes to mind.
-These wars do not address the problem.


These are wars that cannot be won because they do not address the real problem. The war on drugs for example cannot function with out marijuana but alas marijuana is less harmful then alcohol or cigarettes but yet both are legal. Marijuana is easy to get and easy to get busted for. there for it generates a large amount of cash in seizures. these seizures are used to finance the more high dollar drug ops. There is a group of POLICE OFFICERS (eat it WT) that are behind the legalization of drugs ... well they must do they right ? WRONG they are 1st hand experiencers of the war on drugs and the damage it causes. They knwo first hand and speak with much weight. Cops are adrilaline (fuck i hate spelling) junkies. they get a big rush from kicking the door and stomping the bad guys ... many of the "bad guys" are better people then the officers them selves ... I will have to go do some research tonight and find that site again.


Also to say that there is no racism, sexism, or classism, is one of the most ignorant things you can hope to say. All of these things are very real in the US. Did you know that the US has a very high rate of people living in 3rd world conditions? ... Doc i am going to have to dissagree with you on one thing, sexism. You said that a little bit better then the rest of the world is not proof that it is not here on our shores, while mostly true we cannot hope for a tag like "a little better then the rest of the world" ... there are female presidents out there go look. (i think germany maybe i dont know i am not going to go look it up now as i am tryign to get as much on here as i can before i have to leave work lol) ... and sorry i know that is not an exact quote but as before trying to get more on here with out having to go back and re read shit ... OH and tell me that wasnt one of the most hilarious things "911 happend on bushes second term" WTF YEAH RIGHT laughing all the way down to merrily merrily land.

Ask any black person if racism is alive today ... shit ask any white person that has experianced blacks being racist to them ... THAT SHIT REALLY HAPPENS IN THE REALLY REAL WORLD !

look at classism you say ask any star about their "hard life" WHAT ... did you just hear what came out of your mouth ? ... yeah i am sure that is a hard life ... i've lived it ... (the aspiring part not the fame part) even in the down times its not that bad. ... .

Classism you also said look at bill gates ... bill gates is one exceptional example ... look at millions others that do work many jobs and hard working and still dont bring home enough money ... a proven fact after ANY gov't gets stagnant ... The rich get richer the poor get fucked over and out ... there are ALWAYS exceptions but the AVERAGE and the MEAN and the SYN and QUOTENT cannot be determined by just the exceptions. The whole picture includes 50X more people that have struggled more and failed all the same .. crime and conmen run amuck around us and we are all complacent i have to go home now and im sure this is a shitty post but i am in a hurry ......

Actually, I was just responding to his retarded statement



It was more of a conditional statement "being less sexist than the rest of the world doesn't mean that this society isn't sexist". Wasn't agreeing, just saying it wouldn't mean anything.

I agree with you 100%, many countries are much less sexist than us. The only countries which are much more oppressive would be the Islamic countries, and even that is questionable. What westerners view as sexist is just cultural, the traditional dress existed long before Islam. But, probably at this time they are more sexist, what once was revolutionary hasn't changed much since 600 AD so compared to today's world, it seems sexist.

What facts does doc produce? Every statement I've made is backed up by professionals in those varying field. Doc simply makes left wing remarks and you nut jobs clap your hands to like retards at a clown party. Just because it makes a great story and even though you really want it to be true doesn't mean its fact.

I mean look at this idiotic statement



This is a product of left wing propaganda whose sole purpose is to make America look bad. Let look at two of the largest populated countries in the world, China and India. BOTH are patriarchal societies and in India a woman doesn't even have the right to decide who she can marry and whether or not she can have more children or not. China is extremely patriarchal mostly driven by the Confucianism and Taoist belief structures. Lets move on to Muslim Culture. This should seem pretty freakin obvious to anyone but I guess to Doc you really got to break this down. Muslims do not allow their woman to receive an education, in fact it is a serious violation of Muslim law. Woman often cannot obtain divorces, they must wear religious garments to cover their shape (what you call a traditional garment woman call oppressive), they have no rights after a divorce in retaining their children, etc etc etc. God I could go on for days but you get the point. Doc talks straight out of his ass everything and I mean everything he says is full of half-assed psuedo intellectual bullshit.

Ah, and so you return. What a surprise. But, I guess you aren't talking to me, just responding to my comment in third person, that makes sense.

Muslim:
-Women keep their maiden name when married.
-Their possessions before marriage remain theirs, they don't go to the husband or get shared.
-The right to provide for the family is of the man (like is common in the U.S. to) and depending on where, women can work also.
-Women can obtain divorces if it is in their marriage contract.
-The requirement for the religious garments is different in different countries. Men also have required dress, it is not just unique to women.
-In modern Islamic countries women are encouraged to become scholars. To say this is a violation of Muslim law is absurd. When Muhammad created Islam the education status of women improved greatly.

China is communist..Women can get the same education and the same jobs as men. Did you not realize Confucianism was done away with under the communist rule? Obviously they couldn't just remove it right away, but through the generations since communist rule, Confucian ideals have waned.

"A record number of women serve in the U.S. Congress. Currently, 13 women (10 Democrats and 3 Republicans) serve in the U.S. Senate, while 61 women (43 Democrats and 18 Republicans) hold seats in the House of Representatives. Four of the Senators and seven Representatives are serving their first terms in Congress."

"The Central Committee and all local governments have implemented the rules and regulations in the Law on the Protection of the Rights and Interests of Women, which has resulted in many major achievements in selecting and training women cadres. There currently are 15 women ministers and vice-ministers in the State Council's 29 departments, and 56 women leading cadres in China's 31 provincial, autonomous regional and municipal governments. There were 593 women leading cadres by the end of 2001in China's 393 cities - including regions, prefectures and leagues - and 3,888 women leading cadres in the nation's 2,809 counties - including towns, districts and banners (administrative division of county level in the Inner Mongolian Autonomous Region)."

http://www.women.org.cn/english/english/whatisnws/2002-3.htm An entire article about the current improvements of Women in China.

How quickly we forget that Bush was widely criticized even by people in his own party before September 11th miraculously rescued his approval rating and united people around both him and Mayor Giuliani--who's now, unsurprisingly, also running for President.

Here are some questions for you:

1. Who actually stood to benefit from 9/11?

2. I've never seen anyone even attempt to debunk the fact that the "Osama bin Laden" who appears in the "confession" video looks NOTHING like the real one. Why is this?

3. Cell phone conversations between the passengers of the planes and their loved ones were recorded. Why, exactly, were they recorded when no one had prior knowledge of the event? Who recorded them?

Selectively choosing pieces of evidence in an attempt to debunk an entire argument is one of the worst things you can do, if you want to be taken seriously.

Of course you are referring to more secularized nations like Turkey. The majority of women in Muslim countries do not have these rights. Nicely done by once again taking a small minority and representing it as the majority...classic doc move.



Oh? Lmao o...my sides they hurt so bad. God I love how much shit you don't know but still want to seem smart. Confucianism along with buddism, Taoism and Daoism are still very strong in China. Just ask any cultural geographer...I dare you.



Ok there are two fallacies in what you just presented me. First you are comparing a large portion of Chinese government to just one aspect of the United States government, manipulation of statistics...another classic Doc move. Hundreds of women hold state legislator and Governorships in the U.S. Thousands more work in various positions within government. Second you are inferring that just because women can hold positions in government that in fact woman are not oppressed. England has had many woman queens and royals but for many years woman did not share in equal rights. China on a much larger scale is a fiercely patriarchal society where men dominate women and women have very few rights or privileges. Once again ask any cultural geographer whose profession it is to study this.

Doc you present quickly referenced half assed information. Then you attempt to manipulate it in order to make your point. Your left wing bs won't work on me son I'm way too smart for you. Oh btw I see you didn't mention anything on India..having a tougher time with that one eh? Google not as forthcoming?

Wtiberon: I'll assume you're eventually going to respond to my original post, but here's another thing for you to think about.

Do you ever realize how hypocritical you sound when you attempt to tear down 9/11 conspiracy theories and completely ignore the fact that the official story is one of the most ludicrous "true" stories ever constructed? People have already thoroughly debunked the official story, and most of the debunkings are far more solid and believable than the ones that anti-conspiracy theory "researchers" have released.

mmmm classic doc moves eh? Didn't realize i had classic moves, cool. And don't worry, i've talked to professors of Chinese history I'm not an idiot as you. I'm not you're son (thank god). You wish you could have a grain of intelligence. Oh, and I would hope that England has had many woman queens, would be kinda weird for them to be male queens, eh?

Really who? I'd love to talk to someone in Chinese History who believes that Confucianism, Buddism, and Taoism don't exist in China.

This has just as much credibility.

LMAO. Except mine is backed up by academia. Open a freakin book you tards.

I suggested that your image lacks credibility, not that the idea behind it isn't true. I do find it funny that you haven't addressed any of the questions I raised earlier, though.

I didn't say it doesn't exist, but that it is in decline, or was for a while since the institution of communism. And this map doesn't show densities or anything, just where it exists. The 2006 report says that about 100 to 200 million people in China are religious, compared to their 1.3+ billion people, this is very small.

http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/irf/2006/

w00t! no zombies, care bares or cockroaches for me!

First off Confucianism isn't a religion so your stats are worthless in that aspect. Also stats for China are notoriously inaccurate because of the high rural population. The real fact of the matter, however, is you were wrong in your statement that other countries are less sexists than America. Flat wrong. With no basis in fact you made a wild conclusion then attempted to hastily search the internet for someone somewhere who would substantiate your claim, just like you always do.

Hmm, so you can see what I'm doing??!?! You have a camera in my room looking at my searching the internet? PERVERT! Instead of just saying I'm flat wrong, why don't you prove that there is no sexism in the U.S.. That is what your point was, wasn't it?

There are quite a few countries where, if a woman becomes pregnant, they're not immediately denied a scholarship that they earned. There are also plenty of countries that aren't trying to pass laws to make abortion illegal and deprive little 10-year-old girls of the right to choose between giving birth to a child after being raped by their abusive father or stepfather and having an unconscious fetus terminated before the third trimester to save their own tiny bodies from being torn apart until they die of blood loss.

No No No. They are trying to save the lives of the sacs of flesh. It doesn't matter if the girls die of pregnancy, or if we kill doctors giving abortions, or refuse to use stem cells to save lives but just throw them into a garbage dump, they are pro-life, never forget that.

I never said there is no sexism.

Too bad your taking what I said out of context or it would have been a good point. Sexism is illegal in the united states. Woman cannot be refused a job simply because they are female. In many other countries woman must fight against blatant and sometimes purposeful sexism which expressly forbids women from enjoying the same rights as men. Our form of sexism is subtle and non-obtrusive. Do you ever get tired of looking like an asshole? Everything you say is so full of shit.

Unobtrusive is ok ? so is domestic spying ?

A woman making less then a man and doing a better job then the man ... thats cool ?

Do you ever think to your self 'wow i love using the traits i pick my self apart with on other people ?'


http://www.guide2womenleaders.com/Presidents.htm

http://explanation-guide.info/meaning/List...Presidents.html

In the united states the womens suffrage movment started in the 1820's but took one hundred years to ratify. in 1920 women in the us had the right to vote. Equal rights are still fought for to this day.


In 1940 the first woman world leader from the Tuvinian People's Republic stepped into office. twenty years after women can vote in the US there is another country with a women leader (And we are not counting women in charge before the industrial revolution IE egypt) now almost 100 years after womens rights to vote and almost 200 years after women started fighting for that right we still do not have a women president or vice president even. And ms.Rice has made sure to look incompitent as hell so I'm not sure how people would really turn out for one. Maybe aside from hiliary cause she obviously has big balls.

America i think likes to think it is a lot more progressive and tolerant than it EVER HAS BEEN.

Also on the topic of 9/11 if it was a gov't heist or not.
Irregardless of who was behind it it served it's purpose. The 'New American Century' says in its pages the US needs a new pearl harbor to up its military actions around the world. This is not proof of any foul play on the gov't side in all reality ... BUT it does show that this IS exactly what they wanted and non action would be in their "best" interest. This then leads the the sustained war on terror, wich our own gov't uses Vs. us, and has conspired to use in the past. IRREGARDLESS of if the gov't designed this or not doesnt matter 9/11 has done exactly what they have needed it to do. and that is up the military budget, suspend rights of american citizens, destroy the bill of rights, create a shit whole in the middle east with us in the middle of it, and create HUGE profeits for chaney, bush and nearly every one they do business with. If thats not War profeiteering i guess i don't know what is. This was not a war to stop genocide of a people. We should be fighting in africa if we want to do that. This is not a war to stop "terrorists". In the NAC it puts on the line the taking over of oil control by building military bases in the vacinity of the pipelines. These are not contested facts, this is what is happening right now. So fuck 9/11. it doesnt matter any more. (I dont mean the people we lost). We need to focus on what is at hand and what is going to (or already gotten) out of hand. The truth will not come out on this forum and no one will agree with one another if it did. BUT the patriot act, the american expansionism outlined in NAC being put into action is the biggest tragedy.

Women do make less than men thats true. Saying they do a better job is entirely subjective and unmeasurable...typical left wing drivel. While men do make more than women the differences are in the very low percentages. Usually around 5 or 6 percent compared to women in other nations who control MUCH less of the wealth compared to men. Ask any woman in any nation which country she would rather go to in order to make a living, overwhelmingly they will want to come to America. America, whether you want to believe it or not, has the best atmosphere which allows woman to achieve the greatest amount of success. To argue that a country is less sexists than us because they did something first is irrelevant. Its like saying that because the Russians were the first country into space they have the best space program now.

well now you are taking me out of contect i did not say because they did it first they are less sexist. I also did not say that all women do a better job then men ... I gave you a subjective point to make a point that we are still a sexist country when you said we wernt. I also have to disagree with women around the world wanting to work here in very oppressive situations I will agree with you but your subjective example is just as broad as mine. I think canada, britain, and austrellia women are not flocking to our shores ... typical right wing drivel is all you are feeding me ...

Also the point of the list of women officals and the fact that they have been around for far longer then in the U.S. was to illistrate the fact that we refuse to see the faults in our own country, and that we have this ideal and this image that we show but in reality this nation has a much harder time following by example ...

DO WHAT WE SAY OR WE ATTACK, to stop you from doing the exact same thing we are doing now.
like flight of the conchords' "all humans are dead'

I would like to state how funny it is that we are entirely off the orginal topic and you refuse to discuss it anymore it seems ... at least with majal i think. lol


oh and a few posts back i just wanted to say kick ass i got zombies to go kill ! ... hahahahahaaaa ... oh man how i long for the zombie appocolypse har har har ...

I took it out of context? Looks to me like I posted your entire comment and not just one snippet. So I was an asshole for posting exactly what you did and showing that you did in fact say there was no sexism? Just because something is illegal, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Or is there no crime, or drug use? Those are illegal too. Its not subtle and non-obtrusive. Many women are still treated like shit. They are expected to be a homemaker and pump out babies. Despite higher numbers of women going to college, fewer have high position jobs. Do you ever get tired of being an idiot, your head is so full of shit.

You were posting a quote that was discussing another subject and using it as proof for something else. Thats out of context you fuck tard. I was saying sexism isn't a barrier for people to succeed. Sexism as it exists in the united states is subtle. You said sexism is less in every other country which was so way off the mark, it wins for stupidest statement ever made. You then went on to say that Confucianism was dead or dying in China when that is also worthy of another dumb fuck nomination. You are taking a few outliers along a statistical majority and using them as proof of the whole. Of course exceptions exists but you just want to focus on the negative because your a cunt who will go to any lengths to embarrass his own country you traitorous fuck.

The problems of the world are not easily solved...just imagine how worse things would be if persay-north korea attacked the united states with a nuclear device. Preventing that should be a goal, thus the iraq-war was necessary.

You said never. It doesn't matter if we had moved on to talking about something else. You did earlier say that there was no sexism. To post a quote in which you say there is no sexism in reply to this one isn't out of context. Just because you were proven wrong doesn't mean you never said it. If you wanted to say sexism is not a barrier than you should have. Either way, sexism is a barrier. Just because you aren't a woman and it doesn't affect you doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Many are still homemakers because either they think its the job of women or their husbands do. Also many men view women as inferior and not capable of having the same jobs as men.

About Confucianism, it didn't say it was dead, and dying (though accurate makes it seem like it is almost gone). I said Confucian ideals were waning. This is very true. When China became communist under Mao, he tried to remove the ancient philosophies. Obviously you can't count every instance of Confucian influence, but it is declining.

Awww, I'm a "traitorous fuck" :*(. But, in the U.S., thats what you're labeled when you don't believe the ridiculous propaganda and don't follow the pack. The U.S. has strayed far from its ideals. The constitution (except for the 2nd amendment) is being done away with. All of our freedom is being taken away.
Why the hell wouldn't I be against much of what goes on in the U.S.? But that doesn't mean I'm traitorous. I do like living here (well..I did). I would love to see the U.S. go back to once it was, but at the moment it is headed for disaster.

What does Iraq have to do with Korea? That is the same twisted logic that got us into Iraq to begin with. People were convinced that we were fighting the terrorists even though the government claimed it was Osama Bin Laden that attacked us on 9/11. So, what ever happened to him? Did we give up? Or never even try.

Foul mouthed older men verbally abusing male youth online for cheap thrills.. the dirty secret revealed.. next on Oprah...