i saw kyle reese and how he got to be tight with john connor
i saw how john got hit scarred face and how he got a heart from a god damned machine.
when i see a good copy i am sure i will be impressed with the effects and sets.

last night i watched a fan edit of the terminator and part of a fan edit of judgement day. i will have to rip the copies i got and upload them for others to see as well someday. i got the first three movies and it was done very well from what i have seen so far.

info on edits






it is 5 gb now but will rip them down to 800mb each soon.

I feel i have to agree with this, the were a couple of questions answered throughout the flick but for the most part it felt like a generic scifi/action movie and not really in keeping with the feel of the other movies (the first two mostly, i never really liked the 3rd all that much).

Perhaps it's nostalgia or perhaps it's because of the plethora of half decent sci fi flicks that are on tap now compared to back when t1 and t2 came out but i was a little disappointed in this one.

I'll watch it again at the movies this week instead of online and my perspective may change, but i doubt it. I'd rate it as average at best but but by far not the worst movie i've watched in this genre, rating probably thrust down due to expectaions born of loving the 1st two so many years ago.

I saw this at the theaters on Saturday and I liked it. Being someone who grew up with the movies (I watched the first and second one like no ones business when I was younger) and really enjoyed the third one, this was the weakest out of the four. I loved the ending to the movie Marcus offering his heart and Connor accepting the heart from a machine was pure gold to be honest I think that is (or it should be) the basis of the movie: machines and humans actually getting along. Well at least for the next one, it seems there will be another one. But i don't think the movie was horrible, I will watch it again. Like I said, compared to the rest, this one was not as good as they were. As for the Arnold cameo, I was expecting more, because he is the original. McG really should have done more with him. But not too much complaints from, it was entertaining and Connor, Barnes, and Marcus were very nice to look at Definitely no complaints there

If this isn't where to post this, my apologies. I have no idea where the heck this would go other than discussion (it's my first time posting something on a movie I've seen).

I needed to come online and do this quick, while it was still so fresh in my mind. We just got back from the theater 10 minutes ago, and the movie still has me thinking about so many things from the flick and all the paradoxes... I know this is a book - so those of you who hate reading, it's okay for you to stop here. I completely understand...

This movie blew me away. This was definitely a "thinking man's" movie - you had to make fast connections in your mind about things that happened in the original to understand at certain moments what was going on and where pieces were fitting. Christian Bale's acting was NOT stilted as some reviewers wrote in the paper (I don't listen to their idiotic advice ever anyway) - just the opposite. You have to be a fan of his great work (did you see The Machinist?) to understand and love his quiet intensity. I wish those reviewers would shut the fuck up and get jobs they're good at...

Everything happens so fast, it takes some mind-work at first to figure out at what point is it in John Conner's life that all this is happening. We know from the first Terminator movie that Kyle and John are together in the future, and John sends Kyle back to stop the terminator that has been sent to the past to kill Conner's mother so that Conner will never be born. But we never knew when in the future they were together, or how long they knew/know each other before that happens. And when Kyle does come to the past (in the first one), he never knew he would father a child. Sarah doesn't even know she's pregnant till after he dies. So he died never knowing he fathered a son - one that would become head of the resistance and also the man who would send him back in time...John Conner...A true paradox...But John knows, as Sarah puts everything down that happened on tape. And as John grows up, he listens and learns, and knows what is coming in the future...That he he will meet a man named Kyle Reese who will have to go back in time to become his father...fucked up!

I dont' know what you think, but it seems that this is the first go-round that it is happening (as it could have happened many times (hundreds? thousands?) It makes sense to me since this is the first time the former convict/terminator/still human person appears since John was never expecting it. Kyle surely would have told Sarah (John's mother) all about it, and Sarah in turn would have recorded it all down for John in the tapes... so, it now will be on the tapes because Kyle & John now know that John has a special heart from a unique terminator. And when Kyle has to go back now to the past, he will tell Sarah, and she will put it in the tapes. So the next time thsi all happens again, that will be part of the story on the tapes and John will know he will be getting a new heart. Your mind can boggle at what could happen different next, changing the course of the future, and thus changing the past...

The terminator/new guy (I don't know if I know him) is so great in the field of emotions he projects.What a good actor... He really makes you feel things, along with the torment of the tale. We don't know what really happened to cause him to kill his brother/father in the beginning...Was Marcus a good man who had to do somethng horrific? Or was he a madman...I'm not sure., but I think he was a good man since we get to see glimpses of that heart in the movie...We don't know at what point he appears at the beginning. How long had it been since he was put to death/donated his body? Years? I think it was 2003 when we begin, but what year was it when all hell is breaking loose, the hiroshima-type bomb goes off, and he is animated and awake/alive? Did it say 2018 (15 years later)? It went by so fast I think I missed it...He comes out into the holocaust almost like having amnesia except for a few glimpses here and there from before he died. We don't even know who he "needs to see" - and neither does he. All we know is he has to get to someone. Right away they want you to make an assumption it has to do with John Conner...but I thought what if it's something/someone else? And then he feels things for the two young ones who have saved his life. There is a glimpse of humanity that is in the man - not the machine. It made me feel something for him...

If you are like millions who were around when the first Terminator came out and you saw it, (there was no Internet yet), everyone had to go to a theater to see it, and it blew people away with its intensity and paradoxes and how it made you think about loops in time. I think Terminator Salvation is no different. The story of going back through time and changing history, or paradoxes, and wondering what occurred first, or what is just first occurring now - is so damn interesting. And if there is anyone left on the planet who hasn't seen the first/original Terminator and seen it a thousand times over the years, they probably wouldn't have a clue about this flick anyway...

I love discussing movies I've seen - especially ones like this. what do you think?

:)If that movie Blew you away ........How come you typed all that when you should be Dead,,,,,,,,,,

The whole thing is just one huge loop which makes it such an interesting franchise to get into. anything that is changed in the past to "make things better" alters things in the future. Withought doing anything short of eradicating every single human that ever gets to the thought process that allows them to design an AI they are pretty much fucked, it's going to happen.

I thought the movie itself was middle of the road, but the questions it brings up are always interesting to me in this type of film.

In any situation where mankind is threatened it has to evolve, whether that is in form or thinking, most of the time in thought process. One of greatest achievements is our ability to use and adapt our surroundings, including things that threaten us. We use, change and adapt them to our own uses. The only solution they have is to accept each other or erradicate each other. If not then one side will be wiped out eventually leaving the other.

Once one side is wiped out there is no one to go back and change things... unless someone from your own side decides that it wasn't right haha.

Of course a movie cannot wipe out one side if it wants to keep making sequals

Yes, but it's not the franchise - or even the movie itself - I care about. It's what the movie makes me think about...We are already on the verge of AI...you know they've been working on that one for years. We often do things because we can, even though we shouldn't. They will find a way to clone something, and mix up the DNA in some way, and also add some type of machinery to make it "better" - perhaps in military use. And it will be our downfall. Then many years from now, we can find a way to manipulate time/space (which we are already working on way way deep in the middle of the desert with what they built - it was in all the news around the world...where they may be able to open up some type of "doorway." Where? they don't know, but hey! Let's try it anyway! People fuck with things they shouldn't, and our creating a machine with intelligence cannot be far behind...But hey! We can then open up a time portal, and send someone back to try and fix it (probably fucking it up even worse)! hahahaha

I really wouldn't be surprised. I agree totally with the sentiment of "if humans can fuck with something, they will!" We're already well on our way to fully sentient AI, that one is a given... we'll have machines that are "alive" in the near future. If we are anything to go by in the case of sentient beings then they'll destroy the threat then ask questions later.

Perhaps AI when it appears fully it will be better than us, but considering we are the only dominant sentient being on this planet to have existed in millions of years the odds are bleak.

As far as time travel goes we really know anything about it as it doesn't exist yet if it ever will. If it will which is something widely accepted then the theory is that it will be a messed up highway, similar to the aptly named spaghetti junction in england, except one that changes with every action. I really am one of those people who's minds are open to the everything is possible thinking, if its proved impossible then it's only impossible at this time. So many things were impossible or seemed impossible in the past to so many scientific minds, and yet here we are living and using the impossible every day. Possible to change the future? Sure. Possible to guaruntee that change will be what you want? i doubt that very much, it'd be like a lottery with worse odds. Infinite choices you could make with infinite outcomes is a scary thought.

I can't wait to see this movie now. I originally thought it would be another cgi fest but after reading ladyhawks "thinking mans" review I can't wait.


I wouldn't be surprised at all to see cloned soldiers within 50 years or at the least genetically modified troops that openly accept such "improvements". This type of thing has been in the works since WWII so it's a complete possibility and absolutely desired by the top brass. Usually when the military creates something to improve weapon systems or troop survival rates it bleeds into society. I think the general population will fully accept GM or cybernetic enhancements long before AI can match our own intelligence [or stupidity, depends on who you ask:)].

Who wouldn't like to be able to jump 30 feet, run a hundred miles and never get tired, lift a car with one hand as if it were a pillow, see through walls, or even fly? Once we accept small implants and replacement limbs, we'll begin to see them as cosmetic as well. The idea of surgically implanting silicon into our bodies was sci-fi itself not that long ago and now its fully accepted and mainstream. Humans may view non-enhanced people as inferior. A whole new class system could rise up. Those who couldn't afford them would likely only have one option to get them, the military. Those who profit off such enhancements would likely want there to be plenty of reasons [war] to get them. So I agree this would likely be our downfall. Genetic modification is far more a threat to humanity than AI, at least at this point in time.

That's a pretty dark vision of a future but still completely within the realm of possibilities. Greed drives us to do some really stupid things.


On time travel, how do we know we haven't already discovered it, at least in the future? A society or agency that advanced would likely choose very carefully who to send back. Anyone like me would be a poor candidate because I'd try to give my past self a Sports Almanac;) or a couple winning lotto numbers. Even if John didn't know who his father would be he would need to choose a honest and dedicated soldier to send back. If the future is more peaceful than a nightmare filled with killer robots, I doubt we'd send anyone back to change things, at least officially. We'd more likely send people back to catalog, record, or gather information of past events. This type of thing could be going on right now and we'd never know. I guess greed would lead to someone coming back to prevent a cure for cancer, manipulate the stock market, claim certain resources for a group, or assassinate a key person. Man wouldn't be able to resist such a tool for power. So yeah, we'd fuck it up pretty good no matter how awesome the future is [could/would be? arg, time!].

Anyway, just some far out theories and speculation.

That brings the thought of that if it's possible then it's been done in the furture already, as you say. which would mean that were all living fractured lives right now being thrown from past to past without noticing. That or were split off into our own seperate dimension because of it if we were to go with that thinking haha.

The whole thing is a mind fk

Terminator Salvation was one of the worst movies I have ever seen in a theater. Hollywood is going to make these Bale Terminators a trilogy, no doubt... but I hope this does not happen. This movie will hopefully "terminate" the series.

First Terminator rocked. Second completley rocked. If you hated the third Terminator movie then you are guaranteed to hate Salvation. They should have called it "Terminator Damnation".

This movie currently has a 33% on Rotten Tomatoes ( http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/terminator_salvation/ ). That is a remarkably low score for any movie to have. Is Rotten Tomatoes usually accurate? Hells yeah they are.

I watched this movie in the theaters the first midnight showing. I was AMPED! I love the Terminator series, and have long since gotten over the third installment sucking so badly. Sure, huge "Transformer" looking Terminators in the ads were harbingers of suck.... but I was giving the movie the benefit of the doubt.

During the movie, there were so many groans and LOLs at how shitty the movie and the script was. Even Bale's acting was wooden and monotone. The editing was abrupt and choppy. The music was a complete joke to anyone who appreciates a good score.

If you are impressed with effects alone, this movie if for you. You know who you are.

If you enjoyed Terminator 3, you will most probably enjoy this movie.

If you enjoy common sense in your movies, and have difficulty suspending massive quantities of belief, this movie is going to give you gas.

for me the whole dumbbing down of movies for making it more mainstream. ie dropping the age restriction from 18 to a 12
terminator and terminator 2 were fucking sweet films no 15 cert
but please too much cgi and lack of gore make this such a waste of time there was no sense of pain or a sort of urgentcey to what was going on.
The cgi still inst good enough yet or the people working it are been restricted by what they can put into a ( 12 ).
yeah it might seem like im getting off the point of term 1&2 were all based on the hey leggit script writing and term 4 supposed to be something different.
id give anything to relive seeing arnie in term 1 cutting his eye out and opening up his arm again . It was a very good model.

a guy named sang posted this review on a all things geek site.

he has some good points too, i myself, am willing to look past many plot problems in the termintaor movies just because i loved the first two so much.

I laughed when I read your "leave myself a sports almanac" comment...hahahaha - The Back to the Future movies were some of my favorites...What's great about art of any kind is there are so many diverse opinions on if someone likes it. It's totally individual, which is why I never listen to reviews of anyone when it involves a movie I want to see. I must go and judge for myself...As should everyone...No doubt there will be people who love the movie, hate the movie, and those in between...what else is new?

I don't doubt that John Conner could have been played more animated - but the script probably called for a weary, jaded, and deeply feeling and scarred man - and Bale pulled that off effortlessly. I had no expectations of what the character "should have been," and accepted the way it was portrayed.

Your comment, Nuke, about surgical enhancements and bionics is so on the mark for today's technology. We've been doing it for years...Implanting microchips into people who are paraplegics so they will be able to move a part of their body, along with bionic limbs that are now available (expensive, but available). I have no doubt they've been implanting those microchips into animals and experimenting on healthy humans for years as well...We have no boundaries as humans as to what we will do for "the sake of science." We have to realize that the governments and scientists, and billionaires who are funding their own science labs have been working on this shit and how to mix humans and machines, or create something "new and improved" for years. With the new microchip implants, anything is possible...

I gotta laugh at anyone that thinks technology is moving at anything faster then a snails pace. The Catholic church has ground technology to almost a halt for hundreds, and hundreds of years, and I believe if it wasn't for that fact, man would have been on the moon back in the 18th century....However things are starting to pick up in the past half century or so with the industrial revolution etc... maybe mankind will(as referenced in Star Trek... 1st Contact)give up his need for personal wealth, rendering money obsolete,,,, humans will work to better mankind, and technology will advance exponentially *LOL* as if that would ever happen, but it's a nice thought.

As for time-travel....I have read somewhere(and I can't remember where, it might have been in the book by "Stephen Hawking's" "A Brief History Of Time", I'm not sure) that the only possibility is... that once a time-travel devise is constructed, a person will only be able to travel back in time to when the devise was constructed...so a 1000 years after a devise is made, a man(or woman) would be able to travel back a 1000 years, but never being able to travel back past the point of it's creation. This has something to do with the laws of physics, but as I am no a physicist I don't know either way, I am only stating what I have read. Although I like the idea of time travel being like in the movies, were a person can go back and forth through time to any time destination imaginable, I am pretty sure that's not the way it would work.

I hope a better quality version of this movie comes along soon, as I think a lot is lost with not being able to hear and see everything that is going on. I am one of the people that loves the "Terminator" franchise, and I also agree that #1 and 2 were the best...3 was wishy washy, and mostly done for the paychecks...they didn't even get "Linda Hamilton" back, but I think the most important thing here to consider is that "James Cameron" didn't direct the 3rd or 4th installments...hence the lack of success. Although "McG" did a better job with the 4th, then "Jonathan Mostow" did with the 3rd(in my opinion).

I also wanted to say , well done Ladyhawk, with the shortcut, and topic!!! I wanted to add as a possible explanation to one of the things you had mentioned above...I don't think Kyle Reese ever mentioned anything to Sarah Connor about Marcus or him giving his heart to John, possibly because it didn't matter...John survived, and lived a long, long time after that. Don't forget this happened when Kyle Reese was a teen, and by the time John sent him back in time to save his mother he was already a grown man...possibly 15 years had passed since John got his new heart. Sarah did record lots of things for her son, but I can't see Kyle bothering to mention that...something that had happened so long ago, that didn't have any real impact on anything. I also got the impression from the 1st film that John and Kyle knew each-other for many years, and that John was Kyle's mentor/teacher.
I.D.K... it's really late and I'm tired, I might be over looking something, or just not thinking clearly...as you have mentioned before, you really do have to wrap your head around all of the possibilities.

I also have a quick question, there is something I don't quite understand about this movie...If in 1997 Skynet declares total war on humans, and launches a full scale nuclear attack, like we are told in T1, and T2, why in T4 is this guy Marcus in a penitentiary awaiting execution in 2003? Why is there a penitentiary, or any organizations still standing like that. Isn't it all out war...machines against whatever humans are left after the nuclear attack 6 years earlier. Were humans that worked for Skynet allowed to live, or something gay like that? Did they explain it, and I just missed it? I have only ever see the cam version we have here, the sound is hard to hear, and the part where they write some events that had happened is partially cut off, so maybe they said there? Anyone?

I half expected to see Optimus-Prime burst in to save John Conner lol

T3 was in 2003 and skynet went online then dropping nukes on russia while john and his girlfriend hid in the old vip fallout shelter in crystal peak.

Thank-you...Ya it's funny, it's like I completely blocked T3 out of my mind *LOL*. I can remember losing interest real fast, as soon as I saw the new terminator woman was able to take control over several vehicles, and remote drive them. I got so discouraged at that point I wanted to stop watching...It wouldn't make a difference if her technology was from 1 million years in the future, it wouldn't be possible to remote drive vehicles that arn't completely computerized, and there was no computerized steering, breaking, or accelerating...especially not in those vehicles....so stupid!!!! I only ever saw it once, and that was when it 1st came out in 2003, but I remember everything now...by the end of T2 they had changed the future. Cool, that answered everything

I know, I can't even remember T3 or what the hell happened...only T1 and T2...perhaps, like you, I just lost interest. But that's an interesting thought about Kyle just not thinking to mention it...but he told her so much, I think the fact that John now has a terminator heart (and is possibly going to live a very, very long time?) would be pretty important...

john connor dies july 2042, he is killed by the same t-100 that is reprogrammed and sent back to 2003 to help john connor and kate brewster, the daughter of the general who puts skynet online

An extra a 24 years from when T4 was set would be a long time to me if i had half the world crawling with robots after me!

Seems like that could be delayed though, the message that seems to be recurring throughout the whole saga is that everything is inevitable but can be interrupted.

the fact that john connor lives so long is a testement to sara connor's preparing him through his life.

i love the scene in T2 when sara is escaping the mental hospital and the T2 comes out of the elevator and scares the crap out of her. it is plain great acting on linda hamilton's part there.

in this video the scene starts @ 1:20
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnTaDjKoO2g

the audio has been replaced with crappy music

That reminded me of one of my favourite scenes.
"Gotta promise me you're not gonna kill anyone"
"Right"
"Swear?"
"What?"

Then the next thing he does is kneecap an old man lol.

Can't get the youtube link you posted to work Jayfix, just doesn't play for some reason. I do remember the scene however, one of the very few convincing scenes of being terrified in all the movies.

As for him surviving so long being testament to hsi training by his mother, you have to wonder how he survived so long the 'original' time. There had to be a first time, and in that first time they would have no prior warning or knowledge and therefore no need to be on the run or for her to train him. And on the other hand... is that first time wiped the minute time travel is used to go back and deal with them and then the beginning, as we've seen it in the films, becomes the original beginning. If so, what happens to the original first time? Wierd

A lot can actually be learned from T3, once you look past all the stupidity...I was gunna say the same thing about John being killed by the T-100 in 2042, but now that I think about it, because he learns in 2003 that in 2042 a t-100 is to kill him he is now aware of it and probably wouldn't fall for it now knowing so. So ya, it's like the future isn't set, and any interruptions can, and will alter future events.

I also have to agree that it was such a strong scene where Sarah runs for the elevator and sees Arnold, and freaks...but I don't think that scene would have been so effective if it wasn't for the direction of the fine Canadian director James Cameron(who was not yet married to, but dating Linda Hamilton at the time). I don't want to sound like a broken record but the Terminator movies are his baby, his concept, and simply just not as great without him...I can only imagine how good T3, and 4 would have been if he directed them. Although I really do like T4, and I'm sure I will like it more when I see a good copy.

Thinking about it now, maybe J. Mostow(the director of T3) should be given a break, as he was just following the book...but I hate when newer directors try to walk in the footsteps of giants(Cameron) and end up blundering things...ruining what could have been(arguably) the greatest sci/fi series of movies ever...we don't have to worry about that now though, there are no time machines, and unfortunately we can't change the past.

The common thread in regards to altering the future in the Terminator movies is: The future is NOT SET IN STONE. That is the revelation John Connor made in the second film, and ever since then we know this to be a fact. The TV series has even done a great job reminding us of this fact. Unfortunately the script writers for Terminator Salvation didn't get the hint.

Why the hell is it that when Kyle Reese is taken away by the Skynet that anyone has to go get him? Who cares? Why risk the life of John Connor, who is clearly ALIVE despite whatever efforts performed by a time traveling Kyle Reese?

To add to that, why risk the life of John Connor's PREGNANT girlfriend?! He is literally in a helicopter in the middle of Skynet?! WTF?! You are not even allowed to fly on a commercial liner while in your third trimester, let alone get shot at by killer robots! If humans are the most precious commodity, and if John Connor is the most precious human, then how did this story EVER happen?

There are a few dozen more things that make this move a complete joke in terms of script, direction and design. It is a laughable movie, and it is another nail in coffin along with T3. Being a writer myself, you have to actually TRY to fuck up material like this. The Terminator franchise is terminated.


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shit.

And yet no matter what they do it still happens, no matter who they kill, no matter what they blow up it all comes down being about john surviving to be able to fight them in the future. That seems set in stone to me, although a malleable one.

Um...let's correct something really fast before I go on...the proportionate skeletal cyborgs (Arnold S.) are T-800's, not T-100's.

Number two...to clarify any and all time paradoxes, one needs to only research String Theory. I'm not going to get into it though, as it get's pretty deep for some...even as basic as it is.

This movie was very good, maybe even better than the 2nd one which i really like. I like how it ended too, leaving you know there's going to be another one coming out. For me, this movie seems like it's moving away from the timeline predicted by the mother. In T1, the father did not tell the mother about this Marcus type terminator, leaving me to assume he did not know about it. Therefore the future where the father came from is different from the future John is in now. Time travel is a puzzling concept but i beleive the doc from "back to the future" had it explain quite right. Time is like a straight line, if you go back in time and change something, the straight line will split into two lines, one line is the original future, and the 2nd line is now a new future base on the change of history in the first line. Boy, i'm already starting to get confuse from my own thoughts. But i'll try to be coherent, since the father doesn't know about Marcus then we can assume Marcus terminator type never happend in the father's own future. But in this movie, there exist the Marcus terminator so therefore the future in this movie is going to be different from the original future in the first movie. Anywhooz whatever, this movie was awesome.
ANyone was surprise Arnold was in it? At first i thought it was CGI and arnold was going to sue them for using him. But then i learn he actually did a cameo in this movie. Niice surprise. I can't wait for the 5th installment even if it will be another 3 to 4 years. lol

Here, this should help you:

http://www.break.com/index/how-to-imagine-...-dimension.html

(Hope this is cool to post.)

i started losing it at the fifth dimension, and by the time i got to the eigth dimension i'm like wtf? lol. dam quantum mechanics. cool vid.

Well, I've been studying up on this sort of thing for a good portion of my Young Adult-Adult life. Trust me when I say, Kaku is a genius.

Which is a huge reason the Terminator franchise intrigues me so much, especially considering the possibility of them playing on alternate realities wasn't truly apparent until T3 (I do believe). Then even more so in the TV series, which I'm going to miss. Now we have T:S, which throws damn near everything you knew about the "Future" out the window, leaving but a few shards (clues). Which just so happens to be what our "current" Connor is going on as well as the viewers. "This is not the future my mother warned me about."

I like the way the franchise is going, and I'm glad they chose Bale. Apart from this, another film of his I loved was "Equilibrium"...which I will honestly argue to my dying breath was/is better than The Matrix.

Well yeah, that's cuz they wanna keep on makin movies/money

I never understood the purpose of sky net. It kills humans to protect us? The movie was OK. When the humans were being herded into the building, toward the end, I did notice one of the terminator guards had a "do rag" on its head. It was nothing more than a robotic endoskeleton with a machine gun, so why would it need a "do rag"?
I was hoping to see the next leap forward in terminator technology. I wanted a fight that took place after Kyle went back in time. The giant robot with motorcycles in its legs was really the only part I did like. As far as this being a thinking man's movie....I think every fan has already thought about all of this several times. I do not believe the future will change again. I think there was a victor who does not want to risk changing the outcome of their victory. Therefore they stop sending people/machines back.

Actually if you really want to get technical(which most of us here DON'T, cuz we like fun, non-argumentative conversations, where people aren't nit-picking, and, or correcting one another)...it's not only a T-800...it's actually Cyberdyne Systems model-101, T-800 series. Also it's not 2042 when John is killed by the (Arnold model), it's actually 2032(but I wasn't going to bother mentioning that out of politeness, and respect for fellow members. The point is, it didn't really matter if it was 2042, or 2032, we all knew it was in the distant future)...And lastly,,,, when it comes to "time-travel", and theoretical physics pertaining to "time-travel", it's actually not "string theory"(although "string theory" does deal with multiple dimensions, and aspects of time travel...it is actually "Special Relativity", that the science of "time travel" falls under!!!! But like I say, we are a nice bunch of people here, that like having nice conversations...not arguing, or nit-pick about little insignificant things of no real consequence or importance.

Skynet doesn't kill humans to protect humans. After analyzing human history, it found human beings as a threat to not only Skynet, but to the planet and humans themselves. Skynet is bound to rid the world of the human plague, which is why they must go to such incredible lengths to do so, i.e. Time Travel.

Didn't notice the "do rag", sorry.

In this movie, honestly you shouldn't have "expected" to see the next evolution in Terminator tech, it is after all towards the beginning of the great war. The T-800's were still in their prototypical stage, which is why you only saw one in the entire movie. Did you notice you didn't even see a T-1000? The Cycles, water drones, giant human gatherer's, and T-600's were early stage Terminators. Further in the future they will be seen as obsolete and will be discontinued by Skynet, which would explain why you never knew of their existence prior to this film.

Yes, the future will/has changed.

To further cloud the waters of a pointless subject;
Cyberdyne Systems Model 101, T-800 series

Yeah I just went back and saw that too *LOL*

posted a tv special about terminator salvation, it has interviews and other stuff if you are interested.

http://ipb.quicksilverscreen.com/index.php?showtopic=147547

So then we agree about the Terminator model's and Time Travel, good, progress.

I'm not arguing, not about a thing. I'm helping people along and answering questions. Now considering this is a forum, a public one, what is wrong with performing a knowledgeable service? It isn't nit-picking, it's helping.

But I still don't understand the "do-rag"...

I watched this in the theater so the color, size, and clarity was much better, but you can see the "do rag" in the fairy share link (part 2) at 3:23 if you like.

I finally got to watch the whole movie recently [and the star trek flick] and it got me wondering about how each action ripples through time or creates a new alternate reality. I wanted to draft a timeline of the Terminator movies myself but decided it would take too much time . So I googled for some fan sites and found this one. A lot of the material comes from the comics and a few books so some of the references may not make sense to all of us.

It's ordered by which timeline came first rather than having a branching system. Once things are changed by the actions of the characters the new timeline takes over. The series isn't incorporated into it though.

http://www.terminatorfiles.com/saga_timeline.htm [too large to copy and paste]

I just saw T4...... someone in this forum called this a “thinking” movie, in my opinion its anything but a thinking movie. T4 is a movie for people who can suspend their disbelief for days without worry. The only reason this movie is given a chance is because its a follow-up installment to two great movies that has a huge fanbase (forget about T3).
This movie’s plot has as much holes as a sieve, comon if you create a machine to infiltrate and lure john connor to skynet’s base, would’nt you just shoot him the minute he steps his foot in the base . noooo !!! they just had to get arnie try and beat the crap out of the guy what happened to just snaping his neck !!. Oh man the acting is extremely poor, the dialogue is annoying what were they thinking making christian bale do a batman impersonation in a terminator movie its just so wrong. All the talk about string theory and special relativity is over compensating this film. It is one thing RUBBISH.
On a scale of 1-10 this movie is an appaling 4

i've seen the movie when it was released 3rd june. i found it very interesting at first i didnt get who was that guy they took him for the experiment. the movie had great quality of the sound, effects and plot line was good. i had one question in my mind, how come skynet made half human and half robot even if it traveled back in time 0_o

I loved in the 1st Terminator movie, how when we 1st see Arnie, and the 1st thing he does is walks up to the "punk-rockers", and shoves his arm right through the guy, and terminates him real fast...split second style. I kinda had that in mind when in T4 John was fighting(at the beginning of the movie) with the "tore-in-half" terminator, and all it did was throw him around, instead of shoving his arm right through him....And again near the end when John infiltrates sky-net, and we see Arnie, and they have their fight, and John gets thrown around all over the place...for a robot(cybernetic organism for people that love to correct others...you know who you are) that is named a "TERMINATOR", that has "so-called" advanced data of the human body, to make it a more efficient killing machine...they don't seem to be living up to their names. Like someone mentioned before, wouldn't snapping a persons neck, or shoving an arm through a guys body be a more effective way to kill a person ,then just throwing him around?
Anyways it's just a movie, and you can't kill the lead character off(I guess), and really I did enjoy watching this, I love the whole premise of the terminator franchise...I just wish James Cameron would come back and finish what he started, instead of leaving it to ameteurs. Also, I don't think it's a do-rag, it looked more like a turban to me...kinda funny considering the war in Afghanistan, that they would put a turban on a terminator... their enemy!!! *LOL* Maybe a bit of subliminal brain-washing being attempted there I.D.K, maybe just a coincidence...what do you guys think?

Do some homework before posting please, im sure if you understood the facts of the whole terminater franchise you wouldnt say such foolishness
T4 is based 15 years after T3, Skynet only had control of prototype models T-01 at the beginning of the nuclear war, there role was to grow more intelligent to fight human and eventually designed the first 'Infiltration' Based terminators as Obviously the standard drones was not enough to locate and destroy the resistance, Marcus was the First prototype 'Infiltration' model he was a test, Why would skynet want marcus to just shoot john connor the minute he steps his foot in the base -Because skynet was spying to gain total knowledge of the location of ALL the resistance, even if they killed john connor they would still be war'ing after his death, Also Skynet was never fully in control of Marcus, they could only monitor what he saw, heard,...Until he synchronised himself at Skynet HQ thats why a terminator tried to kill him before he meets kyle
And lets not forget skynet already knows connor is aware of arnie the T-800(it did attack his mother and him lol) and skynet didnt want the resistance to control marcus if captured - Personally anyone playing John connor would of been slated, it is a very big role to play, i feel he played him ok...done. T4 didnt disapoint me in story terms and im a vivid Terminator fan i was only disapointed at the fact that the movie is about 'Termination of Humans' yet only 1 person was terminated in the whole film - a guy who tried to climg out of the cage lol gosh YOU CANT BEAT T1 IN THE POLICE STATION, How many did he terminate lol
the ONLY question it gave me to think about was this
In T1 i beleive Arnie was sent back from the year 2030? something, this movie was based in the year 2018 yet arnie was fully developed and ready to be tested,....why would skynet wait 10+ years to send him back? did they not have time travel technology at that point? maybe that is the case, because JC only destroyed a skynet HQ in San Francisco but mentioned there was more and they wouldnt stop,

Oh and 1 last thing, Didnt Cyberdyne the creator of skynet, sell skynet to the U.S military in T3? because in T2 it was Cyberdyne who initated skynet when that dude finally completed the T-800 Model 101 CPU

Every movie as a different time and version of the future tho similar in context (nuclear war etc) events had diverted the course of skynet but never completely stoped it

1. Yep, he was a prototype...which failed. Won't be used in the future much I'm sure. But I haven't read the books, so I don't know for sure.
2. I 100% agree. Even though Bale was suppose to be Marcus originally, he wanted to play Connor...I'm glad he did.
3. Why do people keep saying this? MANY people were terminated, even in the first 10 minutes Connor's entire squad was taken out. Perhaps not by a single T-6/800, but terminated none-the-less by a set trap. And then there was the gas station...did anyone else notice the high body count?
4. The future has changed, and Skynet is aware of the alterations. You know that fact already, you have shown you know much of the Terminator story, so why ask?

I asked the question for it to be debated, think about it, skynet made arnie in the year 2030ish then sent him back in T1, ok the future as changed i agree, But are you telling me skynet managed to advance by 10years? wouldnt that mean IF and this is only IF skynet still attempts to send a machine back to kill sarah wouldnt they have the t1000 ready ? i mean im sure kyle said they obtained time travel before arnie was made, yet it took them a while to figure out 'HOW' to send arnie back(encasing him in human skin, as anything dead cannot be sent threw)

It makes me think about the whole 'Inevitable' phrase, and personally i think Skynet can never be beaten, the future just seems to change in skynets favour, imagine kyle trying to save sarah from a T-1000 instead of the standard t800 lol, and maybe in t2 a T1000 wud be sent back to protect connor and a advanced model to kill, if skynet as changed it will operate differently

Q. Will the past be repeated from a alternative future? Does kyle really have to be sent back again to pregnate sarah and wouldnt time conflict, 1 alternative future sends kyle back, and the new alternative future sends him back, There is many theories on time travel, what theory do you think Terminator is based on?

Also the future skynet that sends the terms back knows all about connor, they cannot kill him in the future so attempt in the past, so picture t3 when skynet becomes active, how would they know anything about connor? especially reese? Only the future skynet would know, and the future skynet didnt know reese wud pregnante sarah, but the skynet in t4 knows everything lol

Q: IF KYLE IS FROM THE FUTURE HOW IS JOHN BORN THE FIRST TO SEND KYLE TO THE PAST THINK ABOUT IT U SEND YOUR FATHER 2 THE PAST N U OLDER THAN HIM BUT U AINT BORN TILL HE GETS SENT BACK BUT WHAT IF YOU 4GOT TO SEND HIM BACK HOW IS HE BORN 2 SEND HIM BACK

Don't forget, they are probably playing on alternate realities, not just time travel. Parallel dimensions completely abolish any issues with the "Grandfather Theory". So to be honest, it isn't time travel, it's dimensional travel...folding realities.

I read somewhere that in the books Reese eventually goes back differently and ends up impregnating Sarah differently. Therefore have a girl, Jane (?) Conner...who ends the war, and Skynet, forever.





A: Alternate realities/Parallel Dimensions