Islam, which is also a theocratic system of government (Sharia law), will overwhelm Christendom
unless Christians (and the rest of us filthy ''infidels'') recognize the demographic realities.

--------- Video HERE ------------- Also... ------- Video HERE

I've also included this enlightening video documentary - "Islam: What the West Needs to Know"
More on this documentary HERE. Also, Dutch MP Geert Wilders' controversial (but true) "FITNA"
can be found HERE.

Related stories...

Muslim birthrate worries Russia (The Washington Times)

Muslims in Europe: Country guide (BBC)

Europe's Muslim Street (Brookings)

Muslim population in European cities (Islam in Europe)

Vatican: World has greater number of Muslims than Catholics (Catholic Online)

France's End (Population Research Institute)

Suicide of the West? (Population Research Institute)

Israeli Muslim Birth Rate is Double that of Jews (Jewish Virtual Library)

Politicians Fret as Muslim Population Swells in Europe Amid Little Integration (Fox News)

The Closing of Civilization in Europe (The Brussels Journal)

Muslim population 'rising 10 times faster than rest of society' (Times Online - UK)

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well, it is not in doubt that Islam is the largest and fastest growing religion in the world,but comparing birthrates with HISTORICAL RECORDS is absolute nonsense. There is this factor that they seem to have ignored......modern medicine and mortality rates. Are mortality rates the same today as found in the historical record???...Today in the mid-east the mortality rate is much higher,children suffer higher levels of malnutrition,and the life expectancy is lower. Maybe if they did not spend half their day groveling on their knees , they might get some science accomplished. Nevertheless religious zealots are STILL the scourge of the human race.....once Christians,now Muslims

I would say ''yes'' in the most poor Muslims countries, but not the oil rich countries. Also, in the European countries a large number (if not most) are on welfare and have medical needs taken care of. According to the UK's Daily Mail (Feb. 24, 2009) right now:

"...if he (Muslim man) has four wives - the maximum permitted under Islamic teachings - he can claim nearly £800 a month from the British taxpayer. Controversially, a polygamist is also entitled to more generous housing benefits and bigger council houses to reflect the large size of his family. He is also able to claim £1,000 a year in child benefit for each of his growing brood."

That is just Britain, other European countires have similar policies. So Muslim birth rates are being maintained at a much HIGHER RATE than European citizens who have much lower rates. That means only one thing: Europe will be Islamic in a matter of years and the face of Europe will dramatically changed. Yes, most if not all the democratic constitutions of these countries will be replaced by Islamic constitutions or ''Sharia Law". This will be a reality in the next two to three generations IF something is not done NOW. Much is not most of the European art will be put away or destroyed because Islamic law forbids "images of man". Women's right will be a thing of the past - and you can forget ''gay'' rights. All other religions and non-Muslims will have second-class status and will not have the same advantages of Muslims. How do I know this? Easy - look at the most of the Islamic countries now. There will be no European influence on Muslim countries because Europe will have been Islamized. The terrorists will not have to fight to win their cause - the wombs of the Muslim women will do the job.

I highly recommend watching, "ISLAM: WHAT THE WEST NEEDS TO KNOW" also "FITNA" (both links provided above). Remember, Islam is NOT JUST A RELIGION, it is also a SYSTEM OF GOVERNING PEOPLE or ''THEOCRACY" - Muslims AND non-Muslims. It's called "Sharia Law".

Slippery Slope fallacies don't help anyone. I'm not frankly scared in the least. Two of my best friends when I lived in Lexington were Muslim and they are hardworking intelligent guys, I don't see them as being a strain on society in the least. Don't be so hasty to jump to conclusions, we are all very capable of getting along just fine. And when you get right down to it, Islam and Christianity have a lot in common. More more so than say Judaism and Christianity.

Your own PERSONAL experience with two Muslim friends in the US is not enough by any means to make an informed decision while negating the facts that worldwide evidence presents. I personally have employed Muslim people here in America. They did a fine job. And some I would hire again if I had to opportunity. BUT the few do not reflect what the majority historically believe and practice when THEY have the opportunity to do so

You are probably not unaware of the ''special'' accommodations made to Islamic religious law here in America. Are you aware of the Muslim footbaths at various universities and airports paid for by your tax dollars? Did you know that some employers are accommodating Muslim ''demands'' for a place to pray on the job site, so they can fulfill their duty to pray 5 times a day for fear of being sued by Muslims or being labeled an Islamophobe? Are you aware of the ''special'' accommodations made for Muslims at various businesses so Muslims won't have to "touch, process, handle or sell" pork products or alcohol? Are you aware that many universities in America are accepting very large donations from Saudi Arabia (a country that will throw you in jail if you bring a Bible into their country] with strings attached - the creation of Islamic Study Centers...and in some cases replacing the Christian Study facilities? Are you aware of Mosques here in America that are sounding the Muslim ''call to prayer'' over loudspeakers 5 times a day? What are the words to the Islamic ''call to prayer''? - Here you go: "Allah is most Great, Allah is most Great, Allah is most Great, Allah is most Great. I bear witness that there is no god except Allah, I bear witness that there is no god except Allah. I bear witness that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, I bear witness that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah. Come to prayer, come to prayer; come to success, come to success. Allah is most Great, Allah is most Great, there is no god except Allah.” Don't you think this is somewhat ''inappropriate'' to be blasting from a Mosque here in America? Do you not think that is would be considered offensive for Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Atheists, Agnostics, etc. to have to hear this 5 times a day? Are ''special'' accommodations made for all the other religions here in America? The answer is obvious - NO. These ''special'' accommodations for Muslims will continue here in America (and in Europe) unless non-Muslims stop it.

Islam or Muslims are not a problem in a society when they are a small minority. The larger their numbers grow, the more they DEMAND that societies except their religious demands even when the demands are contrary to the established laws of that country. ''Sharia'' courts are operating in some European countries for Muslims to establish their own ''justice'' apart and separate from Europeans laws. Do Christians, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, etc. have their own separate "religious" courts to pass judgment in court cases? NO. Many European countries have Muslim immigrates that will NOT assimilate into European society. In many European countries, there are areas that replicate Muslim countries with their own type of justice, language, customs, etc - the police will NOT even enter these areas for fear of being killed or possibly starting a major riot. Many newspaper & journalists will not publish anything ''negative'' about Islam or Muslims for fear of the businesses being fire-bombed, employees killed or major backlash from Muslim countries. Europe as we have known it for centuries is being transformed. In 1 or 2 generations, Europe will be Islamic, and without democracy - UNLESS it is stopped. Many people (if not most) in America are ignorant of these things because it's not happening ''in their neck of the woods''.

Your statement, ""...Islam and Christianity have a lot in common. More so than say Judaism and Christianity." - this is entirely wrong. Muslims will say they ''believe'' in Jesus. Yes they believe in Jesus - but not like Christians. They DO NOT believe Jesus was the Son of God, died on a cross or was the Savior (that he died for anyone's sins). He was just a ''prophet'' - but Mohammed was a much GREATER, and last Prophet. Muslims believe that the Old Testament or Hebrew scriptures have been 'corrupted or changed' by men, the Christian New Testament has been 'corrupted or changed' by men - ONLY certain books of the Bible can be ''trusted'' according to them, the Muslims. They believe Allah (their god) gave them the ''perfect'' or ''pure'' revelation - the Koran (Qur'an). They have bible stories in the Koran, but they have been changed or ''twisted'' to suit their own needs or cause. Mohammed , who was illiterate (could not read or write and had someone do that for him), never saw a Bible until he paid someone for some manuscripts - after which he gleaned what he wanted out of it and mixed it with his ''revelations'' to created his own ''Bible''. They Koran teaches that Christians and Jews are the enemies of Allah and the enemies of Muslims. Some of Mohammed's last writings in the Koran (which is NOT written chronologically) before he died were some of the most venomous and hateful against Jews and Christians. The Koran and the Hadiths (biography of Mohammed and his companions) teach that the world is divided into two parts - the ''house of peace'' (Muslim lands) and the ''house of War'' (non-Muslim lands). Not until all countries become Muslim or the ''house of peace'' will Allah be satisfied. This is why for the past 1400 years Muslims have invaded and conquered (Jihad) lands that ''belong'' to Allah. This is still going on today. Should I name all the countries today where Muslims are waging war or ‘’jihad’’? Many Muslims will say that those Muslims terrorists that do so are not ‘’true’’ Muslims or are not understanding the Koran correctly. If that is the case, then Muslims haven’t understood the Koran ‘’correctly’’ for the past 1400 years - 1400 years of invading, killing, looting, pillaging and enforcing Sharia law in conquered lands!

One thing must be understood when it comes to Islam: It is not only a religion, it is also (when given the opportunity) a theocratic system of law. That is to say, it is a system of societal law to govern ALL people whether they be Muslim or non-Muslim. Islamic law (Sharia) is to be implemented in all lands - the ''house of peace'' AND the ''house of war''.

9-11 should have been a wake up call for America. This Islamic ''jihad'' is nothing new. It just stopped for awhile (Ottoman Empire ended in 1923) and has just recently started up again in the 1970's. It is nothing new - only to America. This Islamic jihad has been going on for centuries.


How about a History lesson on Islamic conquest and expansionism that
has not been sanitized by the mainstream self-hating liberal media?

Again, this timely & groundbreaking documentary.

Video HERE. Alternate - HERE or HERE.


The "Islamic" Crusades. Can you handle the truth?

Videos HERE.


The current jihad in Europe. You'll seldom hear about this in the news.

Videos HERE. Alternate - HERE or HERE.

More racism stirring posts
Its possible, as most so called Christian nations are run by Satanists and its becoming increasingly more unfashionable to be a non atheist.

Dont let the media, even the alternative media take away your ability to be reasonable and human.

No 'racism' here. I'm a white man who is the godfather of a sweet little black girl.

I know you didn't mean to aimed that at me - being that what I had to say has NOTHING to do with a race of people, but an IDEOLOGY.

As for the "Christian nations are run by Satanists" - that is a very humorous statement. These "Satanist" nations give more $$ and help to the pain and suffering of the world than anyone else.

Example:
The tsunami a few years ago, the so-called "Christian nations run by Satanists" gave an enormous amount of $$ and mobilized thousands of volunteers to help with the relief of a majority Muslim population that was devastated.
The oil-rich Muslim countries who made $$ pledges had to have their "arms twisted" to get them to honor their pledges (promise) to help their own "brothers and sisters" in dire need. How terrible and selfish - that is evil.
America, one of your "Satanist" countries, showed those poor, ignorant and destitute people on the Arabian Peninsula that they had all this oil under their feet that was worth a lot of $$ if they'd let us show them how to get to it. Wow, what an evil thing to do. Yes, America and the other "Satanist" countries made SOME $$ on the deal, but the vast majority of this AMERICAN DISCOVERY has benefited that part of the world - or at least should have. Even though that wonderful Saudi Family is in charge, it's a huge benefit to Arab peoples in the land.

The "Satanists" would be those who teach it's OK to beat your women, make them wear sheets over their bodies in public, chop off hands, feet, tongues, fingers and heads to punish people, won't allow other religions to worship their god without being persecuted, heavily taxed, killed, discriminated against, etc. Oh, I forgot - some of the most ignorant peoples being taught that they are 'superior' because their 'god' is bigger and better than anyone else's 'god' and to prove it let's just create some 'soldiers of god' (allah) to killed and behead the 'infidels'. Now these 'soldiers of god' are in so many countries killing and cause mayhem. Great, that's just wonderful.

So the next time ANYONE wants to belittle or scorn "Christian" or Western countries - you need to think twice. WE are the one's who have created the modern discoveries in science, medicine, technology, industry, etc. that ALL THE WORLD HAS AND WILL HAVE BENEFITTED FROM.

No, we're (Westerners) not perfect - but we are the BEST at providing help and life-saving discoveries to and for ALL the world.

I'm Hindu, and I think u're all friggin looney tunes.

Well, that may be true now. One could argue that Christendom grew up but....look back a few centuries and most of those things could be said of Christianity in the Dark Ages. Islam is a young religion and usually cooler heads prevail, I say only give it time, don't be passive but don't be a shouting loony toon expecting people to accept and assimilate to your culture right away. It takes time.

islam is the next biggest threat

You certainly haven't taken any of the news article links, videos, or comments of mine seriously at all or for that matter not even read or viewed them. If so, your answer wouldn't be so ''flip''. As for the "but don't be a shouting loony toon", I don't really understand that one.

Quoting you:

"Islam is a young religion and usually cooler heads prevail"

There again, you're not educated on the subject. Islam is not 100, 300, 500 or 800 years old. It is 1400 YEARS OLD. You can NOT call a religion ''young'' after 14 centuries!

As for your "usually cooler heads prevail" comment. Cooler heads, hmmm let's see. Where were the "cooler heads" centuries before as Islam expanded by FORCE its domination of all religions and cultures throughout its history? There were many "cooler heads" at this time who tried to bargain with, accommodate, write treatise, and make concessions with Muslim leaders through history. Didn't work as we can see today. Most of the Middle East is Muslim - it used to be Christian and peaceful. Many cultures and religions have disappeared because of the overwhelming domination of Islam. Much of history has been erased for this reason that the religion of Islam will not allow various, images, writings, historical documents, etc. to exist because of its "pagan" origins. The only saving grace Christians & Jews MIGHT have is to be ‘tolerated’, is the fact that the Koran (Qur'an) mentions them as "People of the Book" (Old & New Testament). But yet they have been persecuted and still are of second-class status with few rights and privileges. Christian and Jewish populations in the Middle East (except for Israel) have been decreasing for years. Because of Islam's hostile attitude toward them they've been "gettin' the hell outa there"!

You must understand these things without EXPECTING they will think and do as Westerners might do. History does not lie. History's main purpose is to WARN us of what most certainly will happen if it is IGNORED.

Before England entered WW2, many of the people and top leaders were in absolute denial as to what Hitler was doing and where he was going with his war program. Winston Churchill knew - but he was belittled and laughed to scorn for his fear-mongering "ramblings" in the parliament. He was willing to "see" or perceive what was happening to Europe as Hitler invaded on country after another as he broke promises and treatise. But yet, England would NOT see it that way UNTIL Churchill (and others concerned) prevailed and began to get England on a war footing to prepare for what was to come. This is not unique in history - many other counties suffered the same "denial" complex before - and many suffered and/or lost a great deal for it.

Quoting you again:

"It takes time"

There is NOT much time left! This situation is coming to a head very soon - the "it takes time" is years too late. NOW is the time for decisions that will be painful to say the least- but it must be done. Europe has suffered from very lax immigration laws for decades - and NOW it is hitting them in the face. Europe wanted cheap labor and the best place to get it was from poor immigrates who would work for much less - BUT live better at the same time. Not only have they let them in without much screening, they also let them bring their culture with them - the kind of culture that is in opposition to Western culture. Now throughout Europe (as I've mentioned BEFORE) MANY Muslims have not assimilated, learned the language, changed their dress (some Muslim women will NOT be seen in public without wearing a full burka over their entire bodies - with only 'eye holes' in the garment. That should NOT be tolerated. Just that one issue has caused a host of problems in European society - and none of has to do with discrimination either - but assimilation.

Time is NOT on Europe's side. Now there are more Mosques in MANY parts of Europe than there are Churches. Is that a problem? Yes and No. No if they are teaching peace and harmony with their fellow citizens. But many of the Mosques are TEACHING HATE against European citizens because their society is "decadent - and must be cleansed" - that is, the "Muslim" way.
Time is NOT on Europe's side - because birth rates are alarmingly high for Muslims that are not assimilating and also despise the "decadent" European society - and indigenous European birth rate are alarmingly low.
Time is NOT on Europe's side - because many liberal European leaders are "trusting", "hoping", "thinking", "believing", "wishing", "knowing", etc. everything will "work out" eventually because they are "optimistic" for a happy, happy Europe where everyone gets along just fine - NO MATTER HOW IDEALOGICALLY DIFFERENT people believe.
Time is NOT on Europe's side - because the swelling Muslim population is making more and more demands of European societies to change for THEM. Many government offices in the UK won't allow "Miss Piggy" or other such unholy 'pig' caricatures of any form (calendars, stuffed animals, notepads, etc.) in the building in which the employees work because it might 'offend' a Muslim. UK prisons are changing (if they haven't done it already) the position of the toilets so not to aim or point the toilets in the direction of MECCA - as not to 'offend' Muslim prisoners!!! The UK has defeated but will most likely pass some day soon the infamous "hate speech" bill. It would make it illegal to defame a religion or debate how stupid it may be - because in Islamic countries you CAN NOT defame Islam or the 'prophet' Mohammed which in many cases will cause you to be put to death (by law) if you could get away from those whom you've offended. Many times they are killed on the spot. There have been Europeans who have gone to trial for speaking out against Islam or Islamic practices. Some who have 'insulted' Islam have done time and some have paid fines. This is NOT a joiking matter. We are talking about a people that love their religion and their culture MORE than they care for their "decadent" European country, which INCLUDES the governing democratic laws.
Time is NOT on Europe's side - when threat of violence is always just under the surface if an 'offense' is elevated high enough among Muslim communities. The fear of violence in many European countries has affected the way the police will handle 'suspected' Muslims for various crimes. Many times "kid gloves" are used so not to 'offend' their Islamic 'sensibilities'. Crime rates have increased dramatically in some countries due to Muslim violence in Europe but some will NOT identify the perpetrators as Muslim for fear of being labeled "Islamaphobic" or "racist". I'm not certain if it is being used now, but the British police were going to put 'dog booties' on their police dogs' feet if they were to enter a suspected criminal's Muslim home - because according to Islam, dogs are 'unclean'. Other such things are being done so not to enrage the 'sensibilities' of the Muslim's Islamic beliefs.
Time is NOT on Europe's side - because the European countries in the UN are now threatened by Muslim countries that might boycott European products if Muslims in Europe are not accommodated or appeased in some way. This has emboldened the OIC (Organization of the Islamic Conference) to make more and more demands in the UN and has caused the OIC to gain more and more power as Europe weakens.

Much, much more could be revealed about the situation in Europe, but, I'm getting tired now. Really now, what more do you need to be convinced?

Not all cultures and religions are equal. That is a fact. Oil and Water do NOT mix no matter how hard you may try to shack the container, they will eventually separate. Cultural Relativism is a sham. If you don't think so, go live with the Head Hunters. They might just show you how 'equal' you are. Europe's experiment with Multiculturalism is not working and is going to most certainly blow up in their face. The question is: who will prevail?

These are NOT opinions that I have given you - they are situations that have or are occurring right now.

Your opinion is that "it just takes time" which mean it'll all work out just fine. You've not presented any evidence or facts - just a "feeling" or opinion. My opinion (based on history and facts...and math!) is Europe will fail IF they do not act.

We should just leave it as that.

Good to know someone isn't wearing "rose colored glasses".

PFL...it's not the glasses that are rosy, it's the neck.

Zaazaa, my grandfather "isnt racist" because he has personal black friends. He's still racist.

that said, if you arent racist, you surely are a cultural relativist(just as bad) and mongering ignorance about a culture you clearly do not understand.

For the record the tripe you've posted has been around for a while, and it is as ignorant now, as it was back then.

I rarely post, and Im certainly not going to debate you, but suffice it to say this stuff is a waste of time, unless one is interested in learning how to be very ignorant.

If you think I'm a "cultural relativist" after all that then I must be dealing with a mental midget.

This is just for you Josephus, so I'll type reeeeaaal slow.

What is cultural relativism?
"Cultural relativism is widely accepted in modern anthropology. Cultural relativists believe that all cultures are worthy in their own right and are of equal value. The cultural relativist believes Westerners should not impose their ideas on the Islamic world, including the idea that the suicide bombing of civilians is evil." - (http://www.gotquestions.org/cultural-relativism.html)

Now I know why you CAN'T debate the facts. That's why you have to rely on slinging the stupid insults - that's all you got.

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As for the silly "redneck" remark - I must be dealing with "dumb & dumber" now. Same stuff, just one more who can't "see the elephant in the room".

'No, no not racism...my cat's a Persian.'

Your anti-Islamic post is both prejudicial and malicious. You seem to be in dire need of a detoxification / deprogramming from an overdose of biased 'boots to the head' Bushisms based on Muslim malevolence, systemic self-righteousness and foreboding fear. 'The Power of Nightmares' (Adam Curtis) is just the 'ticket' for your religiously based hatred, animosity and intolerance...رحلة ممتعة سعيدة الهبوط وداعا
http://ipb.quicksilverscreen.com/index.php...;show=&st=0

I understand that your liberal mental disorder OR a jihadi upbring has obvious stunted you and are now suffering from a stupidity of the lowest order. If you could think for yourself, you just might 'surprise' your parents and be a credit instead of a deficit to mankind. If you try really hard and learn some history on the subject, you might be able to join the ranks of the wise... and thank me one day.

Good for you, looking it up on the net, instead of learning about it. Probably alot like how you know so much about Islam. You're lack of nuanced research is evident in both the definition you provide, and the hatemongering you perform against Muslims. Im willing to bet you're a white christian. You might be a redneck, but I cant say, as I dont actually know you. You however, seem to know the capabilities of a large chunk of civilization, and the mental aptitudes of those posting in response to you. You must be a pretty smart fella, eh?

I encourage you to keep spewing your ignorance. its useful for me to see how American society twists it's citizens into twisted little hatemongers.


Again, as evidenced above, you're the one who is resorting to name calling. Calling you racist or prejudiced isnt an insult, it is a qualification of the attitude you display, and being so, is factual. Liberal mental disorder? hahahahahah. Dude, you just showed your hand. Good ol god fearin republican fox news watchin scaredy cat. Im willing to bet you also support the "interrogation techniques" employed by your country(ie: torture.)[I just used a propaganda technique on you. Do you know what it is? You should, the republicans use it enough, and since you're smarter than me, well....]

booga booga the moon god of Arabia is gonna eat you. It makes me sad that your country, the one thats supposed to be the best in the world, produces your ilk. done.

Oh how typical, how typical...

This is what those who can't prove the negative of a proposition being claimed: criticizing or attacking the person who proposed the argument (that is, a personal attack) in an attempt to discredit the argument. This is also used when an opponent is unable to find fault with an argument yet for whatever reasons, the opponent disagrees with it.

People (willfully ignorant or just ''mad'' people) do this all the time.


Oh, by the way: Do you understand what cultural relativism is now? I hope that you do. I knew I was going to have to pull the ole' dictionary out for you on that one - or you might think I was ''lying'' or ''tricking'' you about that too. : )

The 2008 American religious demographics (Age 18+) place your hate mongering in perspective, listing the Muslim/Islam numbers at 0.6% of the total population. Comparisons with the 2001 census at 0.5% indicate a diminutive increase of 0.1% in the seven year interim.
http://www.teachingaboutreligion.org/Demog...emographics.htm

'Islam: What the West Needs to Know' had been dismissed in the main stream media as biased anti-Muslim propaganda (Chicago Daily Herald, Chicago Sun-Times, Chicago Tribune). Box office results confirm their 'advomentary' agenda; U.S. domestic total gross: $22,938, initial limited [Chicago] release in 3 theaters - opening July 7, 2006 and closed July 13, 2006.
http://www.brandongray.com/movies/?id=isla...needstoknow.htm

I don't mean to discourage you and your hobby of such divisive disharmony but...you would find a far more welcoming and like-minded reception in a 'rosier' neck of the QSS woods (forest for the trees!) - the underground forum.

P.S. 'The Daily Campus' review of 'Islam: What the West Needs to Know' is well worth the read.
http://media.www.dailycampus.com/media/sto...s-2409426.shtml

P.S.S. have you done your homework, re: 'The Power of Nightmares' as an anti-dote? Would love to hear your feedback.

An add on, still awaiting your homewoek assignment: There is consistency to your choo-choo train of thought (not meant to be demeaning, I just love the expression and use it any chance I can). You are just as mistaken in your labeling assumptions of me as you were in your role as hate monger. There is a toll to one's mental health with regard to our inhumanity, unfortunately we also tend to hate the one we hurt. Negative self perpetuating emotions will seemingly be our infinite folly. Adam Curtis' documentary underlines the danger from the psychological dynamics of manufactured phantom fantasies. We are spoon fed (via the media manipulations of distortion and exaggeration) 'nightmares' that escalate our personal anxieties. Compulsively, we (us) find alleviation by projecting (Freudian) undesirable and unwanted fears onto someone or something (them). The concluding comments from 'The Power of Nightmares' mirror Eric Hoffer's thoughts..."passionate hatreds can give meaning and purpose to an empty life." The scorch of the sun will hollow out the heart in hay and any welcoming storm cloud will only bring smashing balls of hail." [forgive the last line, I'm currently listening to Louise Erdrich's latest 'The Plague of Doves' on audiobook and like us all, am easily influenced]. How many times more will we sing out "...won't get fooled again." [a rhetorical question, answer not required]

P.S.There was no coincidence launching 'Islam: What the West Needs to Know' in Chicago, heart of the neo con nesting grounds, it was one last desperate kick at the can as they were falling into disgrace. The 'infomercial's' self evident Islamaphobe talking heads Serge Trifkovic, Robert Spencer, Walid Shoebat, Bat Ye’or and their incestuous political extremist interconnectedness are certainly worth a google i.e. especially Serge Trifkovic...
http://www.mediamonitors.net/habibsiddiqui3.html

P.S.S. There are far too many Robert Spencer wannabes in the world as it is. "Robert Spencer [neo con] is the author of the well-known Web site Jihad Watch. He uses the Internet to spread misinformation and hatred of Islam, while claiming he is merely putting forward the truth. But as in much extremist advocacy, he presents a skewed, one-sided, and inflammatory story that only helps sow the seeds of civilizational conflict. For example, he takes apparently violent verses of the Quran out of context and then does not provide any peaceful verses as a balance...Spencer does not understand the true Muslim faith or differentiate between moderate Muslims and violent Islamists, and so lumps them all in one boat." 'Reconciliation: Islam, Democracy, and the West' Benazir Bhutto [1953-2007 RIP]

Funny how people get all up in arms when we talking about Islam but no one does when its Christianity
I'm all bout eradicating ALL religions especially Islam with their misogynistic laws. FUCK THAT

My experience with Muslims have been positive and negative. Positive in that a frank discussion with a moderate Muslim told me not to trust Islam. It is true that Islamists do not like moderate muslims. Islamists do preach hatred and death to Americans and taking over Europe in a lot of mosques. before that discussion, I had the idealistic view of globalization being good for the world. Now I am concerned. It is good to be aware and not follow blindly anyone or theology. Doesn't mean all Muslims are "out to get us" it just means we need to be careful not enable the islams similar in the way we disable the far left "let all drugs be legalized" or the far right "let christian religion dictate our school curriculum" fanatics.

I personally have been approached by a Islamist woman who tried to set me up with her son. I'm an open person and think they honed in on that. But I'm not naive. He told me he loved me and asked me to marry him within a month. I found out he all ready had a wife in Islam. A FRIEND of his family told me he was trying to become a citizen to bring them over. I think he genuinely like me and couldn't see that happen to me. Regardless of the reason, I wouldn't have married him anyway but the friend told me that they have their ways of forcing it. I didn't stick around after that. I came up with a reason that discouraged him so that there wouldn't be a problem... That is my story.

My aunt and grandmother live in India, they witness Islam first hand what it can do to a country. Northern India is being overran by Islam now and they are not allowed there.

THe US is no melting pot like we used to think. Each culture and race segregates itself... Look around. Muslims in their own area of city is no different than the Chinese buying all the property in Cupertino, CA or the Vietnamese moving in on Milpitas, CA. The interesting part is that all the companies were trying to put up signs that only had their language on it. The City councils got together and forced them to put up signs that had English on them also. Even SF California has little japan and little china... And, alarming as it is, white people are the minority now in the US. Believe it or not. (well last I read the census)

Just keep your eyes open.

By the way, many of my friends live in Europe (Italy, France, Britain) and they all say that muslims are in fact "over bearing" and "taking over" the countries. Muslims are trying very hard to get their own body of justice going in each of these countries. Though the original post was a bit of a rant, the fact is that Europe is definitely getting to a tipping point. Time will tell. Hopefully it won't lead to war.

Wow heated discussion! I have to say, there are over one billion muslims, and most of them are good people. But I'm from the Netherlands, where the percentage of muslims is bigger than in the states, and I have to admit that there are some REAL problems with that population. But the problem is only partly of a religious nature.

People in the Netherlands with a non-european ethnic background, seem not only to keep on to the value's of islam. They keep to the culture and social constructs of their old country. This is not so much a problem for me, but there children and grandchildren also seem to live by different rules and law then is accepted in the Netherlands. Basically they identify more with for instance Morocco or Turkey then they do with the country they live in.

This is not a matter of religion. but a matter of culture!

This is not clear to everyone, thus stupid people like Geert Wilders spur people on with filth like 'Fitna'. That man doesnt know his head from his arse, and if he's been an inspiration to your argument, I advise you to find some better source material.

Appreciate the 'real problems' description for the friction in the Netherlands, it implies a necessary need to find solutions and a working together. Even your % stats are accurate in comparison with the US. The 'CIA Factbook' (2002) listed the Muslim numbers at 2.5% of the population in Netherlands. The SCP (Netherlands Institute for Social Research) place the 2007 estimates at 5.8%. This 5 year period indicates a doubling of the Muslim population. [I'm sure their are current numbers, it was a quick google, I avoided the 'blogs' especially 'Jihad Watch' for obvious reasons when gathering this info]. I also like your shift in emphasis to one of 'culture' as the issue; definitely food for thought! The 5 star rating for this post is "funny" but the discussions are certainly increasingly deserving of it. (I am beginning to wonder about the possibilities of some aka's however).

AGENDA... HE / SHE

Definitely has an agenda,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,


Don't preach .... figlio di buona pappa.....

Che cosa vuoi dire con questo commento...figlio di buona pappa?

And what a pile of shite that Muslim Demographics video is!

That is simply fear mongering by christian fucktards.

Granted, I have been known to blow my top regarding islam and religion in general (as I am a very strong anti-theist) but when it comes to outright lies and full discrimination... I have to speak up.

Here is a video that debunks the claims made by that horrid piece of hate-video..

Watch

To the OP, you need to do some proper research before you start posting absolute drivvel like this. Honestly.

I've seen this video before and what a load of guff it is.

Christians worried about another religion being bigger than theirs shocker.

That's all it is, the usual my religion's right and your religion's wrong, the same shit that's been going on for thousands of years. Hopefully one day it will all disappear.

Interesting how the op has a massive hard on for anti jihad and how shariah law discriminates against women. Perhaps they might like to open their eyes and have a look at how the very society he lives in discriminates against women. Look into violence against women both nationally and globally. You'll find that discrimination against women comes in many guises, and not just Shariah, but hey don't let those pesky facts get in the way of your little wank fest.

For the record, I can't stand any organised religion. The reason i'm so against your little crusade is because it picks on and singles out one group for society's ills, it's the same scapegoating that's gone on for years except that muslims are the new bogey man.

Come on guys there are good and bad people everywhere, I am a muslim from pakistan, a true muslim especially a pathan and the province of pathans hates fanatic terrorists. We just want to live in peace. We don't want them or anyone blow thier arse up and kill children and innocent people.
That doesn't make us bad its because you are just hearing the views that certain people wants you to hear.

It's funny the OP keeps going on about Sharia law being oppressive for women. Isn't christianity, both mainstream and fundamentalist oppressive to women in the church? Doesn't the church expect the man to rule the woman?

How about the gay issue zaazaa? Does your religion not spout hate regarding peoples personal sexual orientation at every turn? Does your religion not have an influence on whether gays can be married? Christianity, just as much as islam does not concern itself with human rights and equality. Muslims have every right to immigrate into western cultures as any religion/culture does. How come you aren't complaining about the large immigration of Chinese or Indian people worldwide? From the first video you have shown yourself for the cowardly venom filled dog that you are.

Does this not strike you as extremely odd that you are criticising one religion when your own mess of a faith has a lot to answer for.. with pushing creationism into schools and demanding that their faith be part of national politics?

Clean up your own bloody mess before you start spouting hate about others. This thread really should be reported for the hateful piece of shite that it is.

@xiarahman: As you well know, this is pretty common nowadays since 9/11. It is an unfortunate mess that is taking a long time to rectify itself. Thanks to these forums, I myself have been corrected a great many times by the few muslims and others here about my own misconceptions regarding islam. Whilst I don't agree with your religion (or any other for that matter) I equally don't agree that people should lie about anybody, or any religion as blatantly as the OP has with this.

I also agree with a 'removal' NZ...btw ZaaZaa seems to have gone bye-bye, not seen since the 4th of May.

Ooooh yeah. The saying "like talking to a brick wall" Is actually very appropriate right here. I think he must have got scared off by the good people of QSS.


Bravo!

What this is failing to include is that most new borns dont live past 2, and they are dieing like flies when ever they go at americans this is truth. If you have three kids and one lives the birthrate will be high but the population wont

[quote name='ZaaZaa' date='Apr 27 2009, 05:09 PM' post='677307']


this is entirely wrong. Muslims will say they ''believe'' in Jesus. Yes they believe in Jesus - but not like Christians. They DO NOT believe Jesus was the Son of God, died on a cross or was the Savior (that he died for anyone's sins). He was just a ''prophet''

Well gusse what the Quran and Jesus brother don’t agree with you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTl1r4HmSuQ



- but Mohammed was a much GREATER, and last Prophet.


Again you are wrong and have no understanding of islam

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyOBvyF_0HI

Muslims believe that the Old Testament or Hebrew scriptures have been 'corrupted or changed' by men, the Christian New Testament has been 'corrupted or changed' by men - ONLY certain books of the Bible can be ''trusted'' according to them, the Muslims.

You can decide for yourself
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOZSrPF5GNo

They believe Allah (their god)

The term Allāh is derived from a contraction of the Arabic definite article al- "the" and ʼilāh "deity, god" to al-lāh meaning "the [sole] deity, God" (ho theos monos).[4] Cognates of the name "Allāh" exist in other Semitic languages, including Hebrew and Aramaic.[3] The corresponding Aramaic form is אֱלָהָא ʼĔlāhā in Biblical Aramaic and ܐܰܠܳܗܳܐ ʼAlâhâ or ʼĀlōho in Syriac.[10]

Arabic-speakers of all Abrahamic faiths, including Christians and Jews, use the word "Allah" to mean "God".[3] The Christian Arabs of today have no other word for 'God' than 'Allah'.[6] (Even the Arabic-descended Maltese language of Malta, whose population is almost entirely Roman Catholic, uses Alla for 'God'.)

So I guess we are talking about the same god


They have bible stories in the Koran, but they have been changed or ''twisted'' to suit their own needs or cause. Mohammed , who was illiterate (could not read or write and had someone do that for him), never saw a Bible until he paid someone for some manuscripts - after which he gleaned what he wanted out of it and mixed it with his ''revelations'' to created his own ''Bible''.

Can you provide some proof?

They Koran teaches that Christians and Jews are the enemies of Allah and the enemies of Muslims. Some of Mohammed's last writings in the Koran (which is NOT written chronologically) before he died were some of the most venomous and hateful against Jews and Christians. The Koran and the Hadiths (biography of Mohammed and his companions) teach that the world is divided into two parts - the ''house of peace'' (Muslim lands) and the ''house of War'' (non-Muslim lands). Not until all countries become Muslim or the ''house of peace'' will Allah be satisfied. This is why for the past 1400 years Muslims have invaded and conquered (Jihad) lands that ''belong'' to Allah. This is still going on today. Should I name all the countries today where Muslims are waging war or ‘’jihad’’? Many Muslims will say that those Muslims terrorists that do so are not ‘’true’’ Muslims or are not understanding the Koran correctly. If that is the case, then Muslims haven’t understood the Koran ‘’correctly’’ for the past 1400 years - 1400 years of invading, killing, looting, pillaging and enforcing Sharia law in conquered lands!

Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?

The military of the United States is deployed in more than 150 countries around the world, with more than 369,000 of its 1,379,551[2] active-duty troops serving outside the United States

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m61elAh5F1c