Origins- The Bible Is Scientifically Accurate
Pt.1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFmZS3Zv2Mw...re=channel_page
Pt.2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJae-qRdn5g...feature=related
Pt.3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4mQbmYDAzKY...feature=related

Unicorn


Cockatrice


Satyr


Dragon


Witch of Endor & Ghost of Samuel


Zombie


Flying Serpent


Leviathan


Behemoth


Lilith

BAHAHAHAHA! Oh my freaking god Iza, where do you find this rubbish? Thanks for making me laugh... once again.

You creationists, always worth a good laugh at.

yes ,the most convincing biblical evidence for it's scientific validity surely must be in the field of medicine.....That is, God's cure for the hideous disease leoparacy.

First, one must round up a few items (1. TWO LIVING BIRDS...2. CEDAR WOOD......3 CRIMSON YARN......4 HYSSOP)

The remedy application itself gets a bit complicated , but just follow gods instructions>>>>>Lev 14:5

The priest shall command that one of the birds be slaughtered over fresh water in an earthen vessel. 6He shall take the living bird with the cedar wood and the crimson yarn and the hyssop, and dip them and the living bird in the blood of the bird that was slaughtered over the fresh water. 7He shall sprinkle it seven times upon the one who is to be cleansed of the leprous* disease; then he shall pronounce him clean, and he shall let the living bird go into the open field. 8The one who is to be cleansed shall wash his clothes, and shave off all his hair, and bathe himself in water, and he shall be clean. After that he shall come into the camp, but shall live outside his tent for seven days. 9On the seventh day he shall shave all his hair: of head, beard, eyebrows; he shall shave all his hair. Then he shall wash his clothes, and bathe his body in water, and he shall be clean.

10 On the eighth day he shall take two male lambs without blemish, and one ewe lamb in its first year without blemish, and a grain-offering of three-tenths of an ephah of choice flour mixed with oil, and one log* of oil. 11The priest who cleanses shall set the person to be cleansed, along with these things, before the Lord, at the entrance of the tent of meeting. 12The priest shall take one of the lambs, and offer it as a guilt-offering, along with the log* of oil, and raise them as an elevation-offering before the Lord. 13He shall slaughter the lamb in the place where the sin-offering and the burnt-offering are slaughtered in the holy place; for the guilt-offering, like the sin-offering, belongs to the priest: it is most holy. 14The priest shall take some of the blood of the guilt-offering and put it on the lobe of the right ear of the one to be cleansed, and on the thumb of the right hand, and on the big toe of the right foot. 15The priest shall take some of the log* of oil and pour it into the palm of his own left hand, 16and dip his right finger in the oil that is in his left hand and sprinkle some oil with his finger seven times before the Lord. 17Some of the oil that remains in his hand the priest shall put on the lobe of the right ear of the one to be cleansed, and on the thumb of the right hand, and on the big toe of the right foot, on top of the blood of the guilt-offering. 18The rest of the oil that is in the priest’s hand he shall put on the head of the one to be cleansed. Then the priest shall make atonement on his behalf before the Lord: 19the priest shall offer the sin-offering, to make atonement for the one to be cleansed from his uncleanness. Afterwards he shall slaughter the burnt-offering; 20and the priest shall offer the burnt-offering and the grain-offering on the altar. Thus the priest shall make atonement on his behalf and he shall be clean.

21 But if he is poor and cannot afford so much, he shall take one male lamb for a guilt-offering to be elevated, to make atonement on his behalf, and one-tenth of an ephah of choice flour mixed with oil for a grain-offering, and a log* of oil; 22also two turtle-doves or two pigeons, such as he can afford, one for a sin-offering and the other for a burnt-offering. 23On the eighth day he shall bring them for his cleansing to the priest, to the entrance of the tent of meeting, before the Lord; 24and the priest shall take the lamb of the guilt-offering and the log* of oil, and the priest shall raise them as an elevation-offering before the Lord. 25The priest shall slaughter the lamb of the guilt-offering and shall take some of the blood of the guilt-offering, and put it on the lobe of the right ear of the one to be cleansed, and on the thumb of the right hand, and on the big toe of the right foot. 26The priest shall pour some of the oil into the palm of his own left hand, 27and shall sprinkle with his right finger some of the oil that is in his left hand seven times before the Lord. 28The priest shall put some of the oil that is in his hand on the lobe of the right ear of the one to be cleansed, and on the thumb of the right hand, and the big toe of the right foot, where the blood of the guilt-offering was placed. 29The rest of the oil that is in the priest’s hand he shall put on the head of the one to be cleansed, to make atonement on his behalf before the Lord. 30And he shall offer, of the turtle-doves or pigeons such as he can afford, 31one* for a sin-offering and the other for a burnt-offering, along with a grain-offering; and the priest shall make atonement before the Lord on behalf of the one being cleansed. 32This is the ritual for one who has a leprous* disease, who cannot afford the offerings for his cleansing.

I love it, This is our supreme being our creator, our father. He is all knowing, and this is the simplest way to cure leprosy. Good thing his failed first angel Lucifer came along and tempted us with the fruit of knowledge otherwise we wouldn't have science. that dirty foul beast Lucifer. I wonder badgirl, I wonder what dreams you have about Lucifer and the pit of hell, the eternal burning of ones soul.

I need you Iza, to start teaching and preaching, give us your laptop cam youtube videos so that we may shed ourselves of our treacherous ideas, we are so stupid and ignorant and are blinded by our faith in Satan's false visions. We so need to see the light. Most of us will perish and burn and burn and burn some more, then burn and burn and burn so red the flames! burn yet feel all of it, till we scream out IZA why were we so stupid, we are fucking dumb, we are faithless and must burn for eternity.. Ohh badgirl, please post your own video so that we may see what glory Jesus has in store for us. We of so little faith, we will burn,
and did I mention it will be fire? yes fire.. hell is a lake of fire, but a lake? shit no, it's more like a thousand seas... there's plenty billions in it now, a lake would be a tad too small.. BURN .... I I I don't want to burn for infinity.. er I mean eternity. though my penis may turn to ash it will be reborn and burn again as will my balls my eyes my hair my my how did I become carbon based in hell? and how did I .. oh nevermind, we will burn for ever and ever.

Iza, this is coming from someone who knows and likes you...

These vids make creationism look worse off than it already is.

You are better off with the classics, such as ...

1- You can not prove my God DOESN'T EXIST!

2- I KNOW my God exists, and my truth trumps your meager theory!

3- Pascals wager.

I'm going to pray for you! I hope the magical teapot saves your inner teabag (soul).

Hahaha! I love it! I now promote you to high priest of the Teapot, try to save as many teabags as you can my son.

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/lev/14.html

Next time give the referance you are pulling up. This site should be called come all you foolish idiots!

Here is a link that explains Lev 14
http://www.enduringword.com/commentaries/0314.htm

You will be held accountable and being a fool is no excuse!

Why are you preaching on line bam? You don't even have the guts to tell your Catholic wife and your family your a atheist. Is your family not tolerant of non believers? Why are you still in the closet if you are so proud of your atheism? When you can tell your own family and your wife they are a bunch of delusional people that needs to get off YOUR PLANET then maybe I might have more respect for you. I just wonder how many more atheist there are like you?

When exactly was he preaching? He was joking around as far as I can tell. And who the hell said it was an atheist planet, and that we wanted all religious folks to leave it? That is the stupidest thing I have heard in a long time. I'm sorry, but that's just some ignorant crap. So are your comments about Bam and his situation with his family. Really I think that's none of your business, and has nothing to do with this thread.

Iza makes a last grasp at...

Now that is the MOST small minded bigoted rap I have ever heard you say before Iza. You know VERY well how small minded bigots such as yourself treat atheists such as Bam. You know that very few people in the bible belt have tolerance for people that actually like to use thier minds.

What you should be saying is that he grew the nads to actually ask the questions that needed to be asked. He is the brave one, not you Iza, you are still too small minded to admit that what you believe in is rubbish.

Leave the guy alone, he was just joking around. Go back to reading your hopeless scripture and leading this lie that you call a life Iza.

Let me ask you a few questions and before you answer them I want you to think about your answer. Don't google anything, just think deeply and then answer these questions.

What if your husband came to you and told you that he didn't believe in any god? What if he told you that he thought you were totally delusional because you believe in god? How would you react? Would you leave him? If you guys had young children together would you take them away from him and do your best to limit him in seeing your kids?

This is going to be tough, because you aren't in this situation so your answers will probably end up being something like, "I would forgive him and pray for him and hope he would come back into the fold." I want to know if he was not to be moved in his atheistic claim, and you knew deep down that there was nothing you could do to change his mind, would you leave him?

Answer this first and then with all honesty, I will respond to your above post.

Go easy on her guys. I respect the fact that there are so few people like her on this site that stand up for what she believes in when she is far outnumbered. Let her respond to my post before you pick her apart. I sincerely want her to answer my questions and not side step it by responding to you guys coming to my defense. As noble as it is and I do thank you guys for it. I would love to read what she has to say to my questions. Then we can go from there.

i think she has a right to get alittle small minded. i never seen a topic with just about every poster flaming the one who contributed. im not a "believer" but at the same time my parents did raise me right. and if you dont respect her beliefs at least respect the person. make fun of the topic not an individual!

Eat me.

I want to here what Iza has to say about Bam's questions too. Just hope she doesn't deflect it or say 'you guys are are not worth my time' or something off that sort.

I hate to say it but I doubt she will even attempt to answer my questions. It has become a common thing for her. It's just this time she went after me personally for some reason.

I did a little searching around at posts where I had directed some questions toward Iza. Almost all of them have me as the last poster on the topic or Iza never addressed them. Then again when you can't answer a question without using google I guess it is better to just not answer them at all.

Indeed bro,I'd go as far to say that she NEVER answers questions that are directly posed to her. There is a thread here called "the fabric of time" that I am still waiting on a response from her on. I guess it proves that maybe she does feel a bit insecure about what she believes.... maybe.

Come on Iza, prove us wrong. Answers Bams questions then go and answer mine that I had posed a week or so ago in that thread I mentioned. We want answers from you.

The bible is full of inconsistencies and errors

exaple we're told Adam and Eve were the first humans on earth,then they have 2 boys Cain kill Abel and then he's afraid others might kill him(how can this be if they are the firsts?)

I'd watch it Iza. No one here has gotten personal with you yet, so do not get personal with others. Keep your punches above the belt. The minute we bring families into this I am going to crucify you for torturing your own children with the implanted concept of ETERNAL PAIN IN HELL unless they worship your imaginary friend.



On a side note: Bam, you are a saint. You choose to ignore a 2000 year old bronze age myth book that commands you to kill adulterers, treat women as inferior creatures, and reject homosexuals... among many many other ridiculous things. You made a personal choice for yourself, and have the courage to let others around you to make their own personal choices without advertising your stance first. You give those you love time enough to figure things out for themselves. You rock, and I wish more people were like you. Seriously.

Iza might have permission to look down upon and murder certain people due to her fucking retarded baseless religion but you have the courage to be yourself. Iza talks about respecting other people while she outright permits herself to murder others for adultery, working on the sabbath day, etc. As an atheist, how many people do YOU permit yourself to kill or reject?




... and somehow I am supposed to be LESS moral as an atheist?!

If I called my child over to me, told him that he would ETERNALLY BURN IN A PIT OF HELL unless he loved my invisible, deaf and mute god, and then had this conversation EVERY SUNDAY until he repeated the words back perfectly and genuinely, would that make me a responsible parent or a fucking monster?

I wanted to make this particular post to be special in some way as this one gets me my 5th star being that this will be 500 for me. I don't think it is going to qualify as special. And you know what, that is just fine by me.

Ultra, thanks bro for your comments as well as who ever else has stood beside me on these views in the past. There have been many of you that I have talked with and I have appreciated all of your support over my "family" issues. I have often used your (Ultraforge) words from your posts to help me get my point across without using copy and paste like other posters might have done.

I wanted to wait for Iza to respond to my questions but that seems unlikely. And seeing as how she got personal with me and it touched a nerve I want to go ahead and get this off my chest.

I'm not going to jump on you Iza for bringing up my personal family issues in a religious documentary forum. I wanted to at first, but when I realized why you posted that, it wouldn't be the most responsible thing for me to do. So no "how dare you!"s or "it's none of your f&$king business!" rant from me here.

First of all, define preaching. Because your post quoted me using satire about the magical flying teapot that was for nothing more than a laugh. The guy that I quoted using that satire went way above anything I've ever posted to be mean about the subject. Yet you replied to me.

Secondly, in Alabama, having guts to come out of the closet about being an atheist isn't always the smartest thing. And me coming out to my family and people who I care about what they think of me will be something that I do in my own time. And at that point I will not make an arguement out of it. I will answer any questions they might have but in no way will I press my beliefs on them. My wife is catholic and we have a 15 month old son together and I don't feel my unbelief is reason enough to jeopordize my marriage. She isn't very devout and really just practices the traditions of the catholic service ritual and doesn't voice strong opinions about religion in the first place. She has her belief and keeps it hers and doesn't go around putting it on others. I have no problem with this even though I disagree with her beliefs. And because we do live in Alabama and because an overwhelming majority of the people here are christians me coming out about being an atheist might be influenced by her family and friends to leave me and I don't think that me claiming not to believe in something is a justifiable reason at this point to put myself in that situation.

For me it comes down to being able to spend time with my wife and son vs. expressing a negative. Does it require some sacrifice for me on my part? Sure it does. But this is a no contest sacrifice I will make in order to keep harmony within my family.

Thirdly, the "get off my planet" comment that I have made was actually a quote from another poster here. And it didn't refer to religious people as a whole. It referred to the religious people who not only push thier beliefs into everyone's faces but also try to or wants laws to be passed that would govern the way I live my life in order to try and make me conform to thier beliefs. This is for the extremist right wing fundamentals who do have influence in Washington or to those same people who scare the shit out of thier kids with the promise of an eternal torture chamber for not believing in their particular god. In its context, that comment was a funny way of telling these people that we are not going to stand for this type of persuasion and if they want to push that shit onto us to just leave us alone or just plain leave!

Fourthly, and might I add, my favorite part about this post. You having respect for me. LOL!
Me getting you to respect me is about one millimeter above me getting vaginal rejuvination surgery. Since you know I'm a guy, you do the math. I post what I post because I want to express my thoughts on the topic or comments made on the topic. Be they funny, serious, angry, or playful. If it influences someone or makes them laugh then great. It isn't something that is needed. I would hope that this need isn't something that is shared by most people who do post because that would probably lead to a lot of anger and sleepless nights.

And lastly, you wonder how many other atheists like me are out there. I'm sure you do. These people must scare the shit out of you. I'm sure there are quite a few people out there who are in the closet about thier non belief in any god. When 92% of the people that live in the same country as you have religious beliefs that persecute people who don't believe in the same things they do, that can lead to oppression to the non believers. So a lot of people stay anonomous or even completely in the closet for fear of this prosecution.

I know that you hold your beliefs dear to you. I also know that you know deep down that there is zero evidence for them. With this knowlege comes fear and anger. So when you are completely unable to support your beliefs with anything that is convincing to those who need evidence, you do what most christians and other religious people do. Jump straight to ad hominem attacks. You can't objectively debate these topics with critical thinking or without google so you make it personal to try to take away the attention to the frailty of your arguements. I understand Iza. It's ok with me.

The only thing you have done by attacking me is make yourself look like an ass and rallied those who I consider to be my friends to come to my defense.

Now here is the amazing part. I respect you. I respect that you do defend your position to the best of your ability and are outnumbered in doing so. However, in attacking me you lived up to the stereotype that many of us hold about evangelicals and unskilled theological debaters. You made it too easy for me to attack you personally and I will not be baited into attacking you or your family. I'll stick to attacking your beliefs and comments.

I hold no ill feelings toward you and I think you can say whatever you want, even if it is a personal attack on me. Just don't start crying when others jump on you for it.

This might have been worthy after all of 500!!!

lol. its always inspirational when you see someone take the high road.
you sir are a gentleman and scholar

That post Bam, was indeed worth 500! Happy 500th postday brudda!

now the race is on to 1000

No I would not leave my husband if he told me he didn't believe in God anymore. I would ask him why and I hope he would have a good reason other then something like, because I seen a preacher screw around on his wife or because I seen Christian people sinning. Something along that line. This is no reason it is only a excuse. However if he started calling be delusional etc.. I would have to warn him that is uncalled for and that would not be tolerated in our marriage. I have known plenty of people that have lost faith for several different reasons. My uncle for instance lost his son in a tractor accident and was killed at the age of 15 and at first my uncle blamed himself and the family and my aunt told him it wasn't his fault. Then a few weeks later he started blaming God. Then he started saying there is no God. We didn't all stop loving him. We just gave him some room to grieve in his way. My aunt finally got him to open his eyes again and he started believing again. I think that maybe the real reason you choose not to tell. You are afraid they may convince you and show you how wrong you are and because of some reason that is what really bothers you. Now you can get all the brotherly atheist love on the Internet about your atheism. But it is fake. The real love comes from your family and your wife. If your wife and family really loves you and I believe they do they will not stop loving you, because dude family love is the real deal! You seem to think all Christians are uncaring and intolerant and you even list your own family in that category. Is this what happens when you lose faith in God, that you also lose faith in your spouse and family....That is sad.

I just realized something... done of you even tried to debunk anything in the video I posted, instead you posted stuff that had nothing to do with what was in the video.

Holy shit. I just realized that IZA actually believes that those videos actually scientifically validate the bible. How can you compete with that? If ignorance is bliss then dementia is a pleasure cruise.

It says within the first minute of the first vid that creation is a supernatural act. Supernatural forces, by definition, CAN NOT BE TESTED. If something can not be tested then how the hell can anyone use the scientific method to test it?!

Is anyone really this stupid? Seriously, this kind of anti-scientific religious lunacy would be hilarious if people did not actually fall for it


Even if there was 100 percent ironclad indisputable scientifically validated 200 year peer reviewed and tested research that your specific Judeo-Christian God exists (which is, by definition, impossible), then that means we would have to start
- killing adulterers
- killing homosexuals
- killing disrespectful children
- chopping off the hands of women who break up fights between men by grabbing their genitals (true story)
- treating women as inferior beings
- banning shellfish
- banning clothing with mixed fibers
- start believing in unicorns and dragons like a bunch of idiots
etc.

The question is WHY would you want your god to be true Iza? Your God is a fucking asshole and an idiot! Out of the 2500 other gods there MUST be a better one!

And guess what. There is actually a 200 year old ironclad indisputable scientifically validated, peer reviewed and thoroughly tested theory... called the theory of evolution! WE WIN! Our science destroys your pathetic anti-science. We have the fossils. We have the chimp DNA in our own bodies. We observe that chickens contain the genetic data to grow teeth. We win.

Our theory alone SAVES LIVES! Your theory breaks families apart and grants permission so people may kill others! Your religion has killed more people than cancer during the crusades and tortured thousands during the inquisitions, witch hunts, etc. Our theory saves millions of lives! OWNED!

Guess what. 200 years ago we didn't have the science to ABSOLUTELY MOP THE FLOOR with religion. Now we do, and guess what..... let me be the first to say it.....

WE

WIN.

Any science you come up with beyond this point must now compete with the most brilliant minds that have ever lived upon our planet and theories that have been peer-reviewed and rigorously tested for hundreds of years. Until then, creationism is an absolute joke that has gone on WAY TOO LONG.





And by the way Bam, you completely rock. You stood at the threshold of mentally hijacking your own child with the delusions of hell, or allowing it to freely think. I know that you would prefer to have your child grow up without guilt or dogma, and I KNOW that you are going to make a MASSIVE POSITIVE IMPACT on your child's peace of mind. You have saved your child from being abused, and you are a hero in my books. I wish more people were like you.

Hooray! Finally, a human response from Iza!

As for his mates here on QSS, we do care about the bugger, it isn't fake. You are right in one respect though, the love of his family is always gonna be the best, religion or not. The problem is Iza, you know very well yourself that christians can be VERY intolerant, especially if someone states that they don't believe in god anymore and state that they are now an atheist. You have to admit, that after 30 years of being a devout christian, the prospect of "coming" out to others in his family and community would not be a comfortable one. So instead of putting him down, how about some of that christian sisterly love and be behind him here on QSS if he does decide to make it known to his family.

Just some food for thought Iza.

Oh yeah, again Iza, this video is bunk. There is no proof here that the bible is scientifically accurate. Keep dreaming sister.

We don't have to debunk it. We have known for centuries, and in some cases thousands of years now, that the bible is inaccurate.

In order to believe the bible is scientifically accurate one must:

1.) Ignore all the evidence that it isn't (COUGH, COUGH..UNICORNS....COUGH)

2.) Project modern scientific knowledge onto a bronze-age text.

If martians are discovered tomorrow then some idiot will upload something on YouTube about how the bible said it was true all along.

The only reason it makes some sense is because humans wrote it and have rewritten many of times. Thats eighteen cents of my thoughts, fill free to send that coin to my paypal account. edit: lol, btw starfkr I love that new sig you have (it's plain and simple).

I don't believe you. If he gave the same reasons for dropping god that I did then you would be sad about it but you would kick his ass out of the house faster than Jerry Falwell booting a gay man from Liberty University. My reasons had nothing to do with what you stated. These were mere examples of the Christians that I had went to church with. You forgot the whole researching part. And I love my wife and would never call her delusional even if she is in this sense. Your uncle lost faith in god? Of course you didn't stop loving him. You also didn't believe that he really lost faith in god either. You called it grief. And the odds are he didn't loose his faith in god he was just mortified and wanted to blame something for his loss. Which is why he was tolerated and given room. Not to mention he finally went back into the "fold". And why on earth do you think that me coming to this conclusion after doing a shitload of research and rational thinking that I could be convinced by my family that I am wrong? And I would be glad to change my mind and believe in a god if they actually could SHOW me I was wrong.

I do beleive that the guys and gals here at QSS that have talked to me do care about me. I never said they love me, but I think that they do show genuine interest in my well being when it comes to these matters. You call it fake, which is what I call your belief in god. I do agree that the love of my family is more important than anything else in my life. And the fact that I haven't come out to them isn't because I know they are intolerant, but I know that it is a possiblity. And at this moment, I'm not willing to give it a try because my non-belief doesn't constitute a justification when it rarely enters the picture.

And I never said that my wife and family was intolerant. I said that they might be. I also never said that I have lost faith in my spouse or family. Stop projecting your beliefs on me and stop putting words into my mouth.

As long as they are happy and don't use these beliefs to make others uncomfortable they will continue to recieve my tolerance of thier beliefs. Even if this event does come to pass. I won't stop loving them.

But this is the exact post that I figured you would use in responding to my questions. Trying to replace rational thinking with fear and pleaing to an emotion instead of sticking with facts. Along with putting words into my mouth to make your post seem more credible. You pretend to know what I'm thinking when you don't even know that you put an "an" in front of the word atheist when using it in a sentence. (I know that was cheap, but I felt like I earned that one seeing as how she went all ad hominem on me.)

Go back to your bible and your god and continue to posts these humorous videos so we have something entertaining to laugh at.

You and them unicorns!

There is several different types of unicorns star. Although the unicorn that looks like a horse with 1 horn is the one we think of today. Did you know when the explorer Marco Polo first seen a rhino he called it a unicorn? You mean to tell me a rhino looks like a horse or was Polo just a idiot? We are the idiots, we have been spoon feed fairy tales for so many years to assume a unicorn only represents a 1 horned horse! The unicorn in the bible is actually a extinct ox called a Aurochs. Read some of the passages about the unicorn.



Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib? Canst thou bind the unicorn with his band in the furrow? or will he harrow the valleys after thee? Wilt thou trust him, because his strength is great? or wilt thou leave thy labour to him? Wilt thou believe him, that he will bring home thy seed, and gather it into thy barn?"--Job 39:9-12!

You mean they used 1 horned horses "unicorn" for plowing the earth? Tell me what makes more since to you..a one horn horse plowing or a ox? After if was done it was put in the barn. Tell me star how many fairy tales and folk lore legends have you heard taming myth unicorns to plow and put in barns like livestock?

"And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with their bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness."--Isaiah 34:7!

Bullocks and bulls? Don't sound like a horse to me, but more like a ox.

"He maketh them (the cedars of Lebanon) also to skip like a calf; Lebanon and Sirion like a young unicorn."--Psalm 29:6!

Since when did we ever call a baby horse a calf?



Here is your damn unicorn star!!!!



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Hear hear brudda!

Unlike Bam, I had it extremely easy when it came to admitting that I am an atheist. Luckily I live in a very secular country. I had support from all my friends and family the whole way through. You must remember Iza, that both you and Bam live in areas that are very intolerant of anybody that don't share the majority belief system.. i.e. christianity.

I reckon you need to come over to a place such as NZ and see what it is like to live in a truly secular society, you will be shocked at how tolerant and easy going people are. In my normal life, away from my keyboard, I hardly ever talk about religion with anybody as it really doesn't matter here.

I am also blessed that I live in a flat that has a constant stream of overseas travelers coming through. At the moment, we have two Buddhists and a muslim living here. I have had very lengthy conversations with the muslim (Hatim), and I have found him to be a very good natured, friendly person that I enjoy spending time with. We understand each others point of view, even if we don't agree with each other. You could learn a great lesson from this man.

In essence Iza, you need to practice what you believe in. Tolerance is supposed to be a christian virtue, yet you love to put words in other peoples mouths, and then attack them personally if they don't believe what you do.

We are all tolerant of you, it's about time you become the christian you claim to be.

But then again, I do so love to laugh at the videos you post, simply because they are so delusional and offer no argument at all.

Ah Iza, those qoutes that you gave us offer no proof that what they are talking about are oxen, cows etc.



This statement mentions unicorns AND bullocks and bulls, not that unicorns ARE bullocks and bulls. You need to learn to read a bit slower.



And the same here. It mentions a calf AND a unicorn.

Try again please Iza.

Bam, thanks for keeping it real brother. Lane 4 is cheating BTW.

FYI my first husband was agnostic and I didn't leave or divorce him! Stuck with the man till death do us part..He passed away. He always told me that Jesus was just a nice guy. So if I didn't leave him why would I leave my husband I have now? I also never claimed you would call your wife delusional either. I said if my husband ever became a atheist and started calling me delusional that that is crossing the line. But I would like to know is why would you call Christians delusional, but not your wife? Do you have two different sets of rules. One for your family and another for everyone else? Forgive me, but I see a hypercritical reasoning here. What about your views about raising your baby son in a catholic church? This is OK with you? Or is it just child abuse for everyone else? What are you going to do when your son gets older and ask you about something he learned in church? You gonna tell him there is no God , but don't tell mommy I told you that or are you just going to roll with the flow? You come on here talking your holier then thou shit bam about how much better you feel and live being free of God and yet are you really free? Maybe on line Internet you may think you are, but not really. No you don't trust your wife or you would tell her how you feel. BTW are you sure a pastor you once knew and admired was caught having a affair and that didn't effect you spiritually? I think you and other atheist only look for excuses personally.

You seemed to have forgot one..

Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib? Canst thou bind the unicorn with his band in the furrow? or will he harrow the valleys after thee? Wilt thou trust him, because his strength is great? or wilt thou leave thy labour to him? Wilt thou believe him, that he will bring home thy seed, and gather it into thy barn?"--Job 39:9-12!

You mean they used 1 horned horses "unicorn" for plowing the earth? Tell me what makes more since to you..a one horn horse plowing or a ox? After if was done it was put in the barn. Tell me star how many fairy tales and folk lore legends have you heard taming myth unicorns to plow and put in barns like livestock?

Do your research
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicorn

http://net.bible.org/search.php?search=uni...mode=&scope=

Can I ask you a question Iza?

Did you learn to read and write English at school? I'm assuming that if you did, you really didn't care for it because your reading comprehension skills are terrible. How about you re-read what Bam has posted? He said that his wife isn't delusional but in regards to being a christian she is (sorry if I got that wrong Bam).

Do you mean hypercritical or hypocritical?

If anything, Bams son is going to grow up in a very loving household, If Bam comes out to his wife, he will not have to hide his beliefs. The child will get the best of both worlds and will be able to make up his own mind as to whether or not to believe in god. Have you allowed your own children that simple human right Iza? More than likely not.

Ahhhh no Iza, I didn't forget that passage, it's just that it again, says nothing about a unicorn being an oxen or a cow. It's funny, you really love to believe things and post rubbish that has no evidence to back it up at all don't you?

Now I'm not saying that unicorns exist or have ever existed, I'm just pointing out that you still cannot provide us with anything that has even the smallest inking of truth about it. Now, read those passages again, none of them say ANYTHING about unicorns being bovines.



Hehe, maybe you should read what you write. As you well know, the bible is the biggest fairy tale of them all.

And as for those references you gave.. you tell us to do research? WTF? I have done more research on religion than you can possibly imagine, Whilst you just google a topic and post the first pages that look interesting to you. That's not research Iza, that's just laziness. But then again, you have proved that you can't go two or three posts without having to google something eh. Ever heard of critical thinking? That's why you don't find me googling anything and posting it, I like to exercise my mind. You should try it. It's rather enlightening.

All I can say is... OWNED again Iza.

It's just too easy.

Yes Iza, my wife is delusional when it comes to her belief in god. Never said she wasn't, said I would never tell her she was. READ!

2 sets of rules? Kinda, I will feed my family before I will feed yours. We all have those 2 sets of rules.

Raising my son catholic, will it bother me? Yes, it will. My son is 15 months old and years from starting any school. I will have to deal with that when it gets here. And I will not tell him that there is no god, only that the there more than likely isn't any god. Indoctrination for fear of hell is child abuse, and I would never subject my child to that. You see "hypercritcal"? hipocritical reasoning because you want to see it that way. There are a lot of issues that I am going to have to adress in the future with this. Never said there wasn't. I said as for right now I see no need to make my beliefs known to them because the possible outcomes could outweigh the declaration. Again, RIGHT NOW.

I do not claim to know exactly how I will handle the raising of my son in 5-10 years time only that I will do my best at it. I do feel much better not worrying about an all powerful supernatural egotistical insecure being telling me to bow at his feet or burn in hell forever. I live a much more freely life now because I don't have to check the bible when I make decisions about what I will do. My life is pretty much the same in my day to day routines as it was when I was a christian but now I'm not scared of burning in hell. How is that not freedom?

I trust my wife on most things but this is outside the box Iza. This isn't something you just profess in this state when all of your freinds and family are christian. She knows that I love her and would do anything for her. That is what is important. I don't go around telling her that the tooth fairy isn't real so why would I blatently tell her that I don't think god is either? If she asks, then that is a different situation in which I would tell her and I guess at that point we would go from there.

LOL, the pastor that you are referring to did get caught f%#king our sunday school teacher (woman) and they were both married. At the time it shocked the shit out of me because I did look to him to be an example and for spiritual guidance. That never came close to making me think that there was no god. You should know about the whole don't put your faith in men shpeel that the bible teaches. Affect me spiritually? Iza, I don't believe in spirits or think with my heart or believe in ghosts or yetis or big foot or ken hovind's YEC bullshit. I don't believe I'm "holier" than thou either Iza. I know that you hope I think I am. That would justify a lot of things you say about me. But, yet again Iza, You don't know what I think.

I don't need to look for excuses when I have reasons and truth. Excuses are what christians make when science disproves something in the bible. LIKE THIS VIDEO!

LOL I love it when someone says they researched with wikipedia. Yeah that is a reliable website, if you don't like something on there, change it.
Iza use that website as referrance only and not as hard evidence. 90% of the world is religious, don't you think there are some who might try to justify shit through wikipedia? And the other one is a biblical site? There you go Iza, use the same book that we have told you time and time again that we don't believe it to be a credible source.

Absolutely perfect researching skills.

I think I might send you a dollar so you can get a library card...

This is bull crap I respond and you make fun of me like I'm illiterate because I misspelled a word? I have seen you and others do it to and I never said anything, but from now on I will!!!
My kids are raised in a loving home and I also let them choose whether to go to church or not...that was never forced on any of my children. I let them find God on their terms not mine. And it has worked out well for my 2 oldest and I have one more left. I have always let them express themselves. I am not a strict rule em by the rod and put the fear of God in them parent.

Enough said, wish you the best of luck...really I do. BTW I hate to see your son raised in a Catholic Church also, but it's not my child.

Why is it when I use wikipedia it b.s. but when the atheist here use it, it just find? There is that double standard again. I also gave you another link http://net.bible.org/search.php?search=uni...mode=&scope=
Which gives the proper translations, but OK whatever.

Spent some time reading through a lot of these posts and wasn't sure if I was going to reply. there have been a number of posts which have caught my attention and I thought I would add my tuppence worth.
firstly, I am a Catholic christian and i also live in a fairly secular society like many of the posters on here. My wife is a christian also although many of my friends are atheist or agnostic. Although many of my closest friends views on religion differ there has always been a mutual respect and understanding of each others beliefs. I think that stems from a basic understanding of people's backgrounds or experiences, throughout my life I have experienced the love of God many times, that's not scientific proof for the existence of god but it is my personal experience therefore I do not believe someone can tell me its wrong, after all it is my experience and not yours. You could say I am delusional but i think that would be unfair because no one on this site knows me.
As I said my closest friends have completely different views on religion, this comes from different life experiences I believe. I don't knock them or judge them, i mean I struggle to live a good life at times myself so you won't find me pointing the finger at anyone.

Now, I am not here to get personal with anyone. I think these posts have got a little too personal already but i do wish to comment on a few some of the things that have struck me so far.

A few people have commented on how science has disproved christianity. This is not fact, in fact it is far from it. Whoever posted that can you back that up because if it has been disproved then I guess we can stop this debate right now, also someone needs to inform cnn, fox news and the bbc because this is a major development in history. Okay i am kidding but it seems pretty easy to make a statement like that and not back it up.

Someone has also commented that the greatest minds in the world (or something to that effect) do not subscribe to the teaching of the bible. Okay that is not a direct quote but you get my drift. Again though that is not true. CS Lewis is one of the greatest minds of the last century, read his book mere christianity. i think sometimes people are willing to read dawkins and the like although never give time to read Christian apologetics by people who are articulate, intelligent and who have a sound belief in God. last year there was a documentary by Bill Maher called religulous where he attempted to disprove christianity. He proceeded to do this by interviewing a whole host of nut jobs and fundamentalists, it was the most biased, one sided and unfair argument I have ever seen. I would have loved Maher to sit down with a renowned esteemed theologian (there are lot's of them) to see how his arguments stood up. Maybe it would have but we'll never know because he took the safe option. Btw, I did think his film was pretty funny at times.

Anyway back to the point about there not being many great minds or whatever who believed in Christianity. one of the greatest scientific breakthroughs of recent times was the human genome project which was led by a man called Francis collins. He wrote a book called the language of God where he speaks about how a belief in God and science can compliment each other. He is a christian and one of the greatest minds of our time.

Throughout my life I have read books and literature about atheism, science and christianity and I have come to the point where I do believe in Jesus and the bible. it is my belief and i know by putting it out there you open yourself to criticism, all I would say is fair enough but be respectful. Quite a few folk on here have crossed a line on this post. Believers and non believers....

Iza, that was just one example. There are plenty of examples of fanstasy creatures and incorrect things in the bible.

We are talking about a book that was written in the bronze-age, Iza. Do you hold dear other bronze-age texts?

I'm far beyond trying to get you to use Critical Thinking Skills. The bible is apparantly your life, your world view. Good for you.

What you want to do the dragon next Star? Most of those passages was refering to Satan. It's like if you call Hitler a monster. But I'm sure you don't see that either. http://net.bible.org/strong.php?id=1404

Nicely put and thank you.